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Tacachale

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Re: Councilman Redman wants Metro Park concerts stopped
« Reply #45 on: January 11, 2013, 12:44:35 PM »
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I'm sure that I've read it on here somewhere before, but didn't the original plans for metropark contain a design for a real amphitheater?

And weren't those original plans deterred by the same people across the river for the same reasons, noise?

Dogwalker, I believe, was part of the group that was against it, but I could be mistaken.

Nope, you are not mistaken about my involvement in stopping the amphitheater.  You are mistaken to think it was a part of the original plan for Metropolitan Park.  It was a scheme cooked up by Rick Mullaney to benefit some friends of his.  He was also going transfer a public park over to ownership by a private corporation.

He was chief of staff to Delaney at the time and got caught hiding some correspondence that he should have revealed to numerous public records requests.  Rather than see him prosecuted, the mayor decided to drop the whole thing.  I think it was a major embarrassment to Delaney.


That's a totally erroneous account of what happened. The amphitheater project wasn't initiated by Rick, though he was a major backer and promoter of it. It was also endorsed by John Delaney, my father, as well as his administration and all those in Jacksonville who wanted a thriving scene for music and culture.

Rick and co identified (correctly) that that kind of structure was becoming the trend in civic concert venues, and felt (correctly) that it would bring dozens of events to the city. Rick did not "hide correspondence", nor was there ever any threat of "prosecution" for anything he (or anyone else) did. You're either misremembering or misrepresenting the situation. It's true, however, that the St. Nicholas noise campaigners and their misinformation campaign were part of the reason the project was killed. However, the only "embarassment" was that a handful of myopic whiners were able to derail a forward-thinking project that was desired by the majority of the city.

As a result, the metro area has missed out on literally hundreds of concerts and cultural events that otherwise would have come here, Downtown lost an opportunity to turn Met Park into a real destination, and the urban core remains silent as a tomb most of the year.

Good work, Dog Walker.
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Tacachale

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Re: Councilman Redman wants Metro Park concerts stopped
« Reply #46 on: January 11, 2013, 12:46:55 PM »
https://www.facebook.com/groups/125494244283704/

This is the facebook group that formed this morning that I was asked to join an hour ago.

"Don Redman must go!"

Its already got hundreds of members.

Where were all those people when he ran unopposed?
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Re: Councilman Redman wants Metro Park concerts stopped
« Reply #47 on: January 11, 2013, 01:08:48 PM »
Thanks for correcting the spelling of Don's last name guys.  Realized I spelled it wrong in my sleep last night.  Yes, I was having a nightmare.   lol
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Re: Councilman Redman wants Metro Park concerts stopped
« Reply #48 on: January 11, 2013, 01:10:32 PM »
As Noone says we need to let the legislative process take its course. This is about the decibel level. When residents say they cannot hear their TV in the living room because of music it might be too loud. When these concerts are held I understand they start practicing around 9am and go to 11pm at night. That is a long time to listen to music, especially when you did not request it.

I want to find a solution. Give me your feedback if you want to help.

Would you still attend if the decibel level is a little lower?

Would you attend these events at Cecil Commerce Center?

What would it cost to add temporary sound walls? 

And Thank you for the compliment Stephen.

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Re: Councilman Redman wants Metro Park concerts stopped
« Reply #49 on: January 11, 2013, 01:16:26 PM »

Would you still attend if the decibel level is a little lower?

Would you attend these events at Cecil Commerce Center?

maybe....and NO WAY

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Re: Councilman Redman wants Metro Park concerts stopped
« Reply #50 on: January 11, 2013, 01:21:08 PM »
As Noone says we need to let the legislative process take its course. This is about the decibel level. When residents say they cannot hear their TV in the living room because of music it might be too loud. When these concerts are held I understand they start practicing around 9am and go to 11pm at night. That is a long time to listen to music, especially when you did not request it.

I want to find a solution. Give me your feedback if you want to help.

Would you still attend if the decibel level is a little lower?

Would you attend these events at Cecil Commerce Center?

What would it cost to add temporary sound walls? 

And Thank you for the compliment Stephen.

I live in the neighborhood directly accross the water from Met Park.  Yes you can clearly hear the music, sometimes even inside.  On weekend nights... whatever.  I could understand the people's issues if it's still going on at 11pm on a Sunday.  That said, this is rarely an issue.  The only concert that is really noticable has been the big ticket, once a year.  I went this year so I obviously have no problem with it.   So sorry you bough a waterfront house across the river from a concert venue and a stadium, boo hoo life is aweful  ::).  Do they complain about the noise from Jags games too? 

And no I won't go to anything like this at Cecil.  To give up a great venue location like Met Park for Cecil is ridiculous.

If it's really affecting people's quality of life I will gladly trade my house for any on the St. John's with a great view of downtown, the stadium, and the Hart bridge.
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Re: Councilman Redman wants Metro Park concerts stopped
« Reply #51 on: January 11, 2013, 01:23:22 PM »
I dont think too many people would even notice a lower decibel level. Concerts belong downtown not way out in BFE.

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Re: Councilman Redman wants Metro Park concerts stopped
« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2013, 01:23:32 PM »
No way should any events be moved from downtown to Cecil Commerce Center and that includes the fairgrounds, imo.
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Re: Councilman Redman wants Metro Park concerts stopped
« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2013, 01:47:21 PM »
But I am hearing that a lower decibel level could be acceptable.

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Re: Councilman Redman wants Metro Park concerts stopped
« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2013, 01:49:26 PM »
The way we do it at UNF is to run a check beforehand to make sure we're within whatever the proper noise level is. Concerts run until 10 on weekdays and 11 on weekends, after which time we shut them down (we've even pulled the plug before). When we receive noise complaints, my boss, the VP for Student Affairs, sends them a polite response, but make it clear we're not going to do away with concerts (it's a college after all). We've gotten increasing fewer complaints just in the 2 years I've been here, though we've had more events out there.

The restrictions on the Southside are pretty fair and easily followed; one would expect there to be fewer restrictions downtown, especially with the hours.
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Re: Councilman Redman wants Metro Park concerts stopped
« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2013, 02:26:53 PM »
That approach is too logical, it can't possibly be implemented at Metro Park. Sound checks, conforming to time?   :P  I don't think Redman would understand.

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Re: Councilman Redman wants Metro Park concerts stopped
« Reply #56 on: January 11, 2013, 03:18:15 PM »
Classic Don Redman answer to everything he doesn't like... Ship them to the Westside. 

Brilliant! 

And if you have some magic beans that sprout money... I could give you 45,000 ways that public money can be spent that have a higher utility than constructing an Ampitheatre in the middle of nowhere. 
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Re: Councilman Redman wants Metro Park concerts stopped
« Reply #57 on: January 11, 2013, 03:25:02 PM »
We need to get Don occupied with biking issues and leave this other stuff alone. Focus on what you are good at.

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Re: Councilman Redman wants Metro Park concerts stopped
« Reply #58 on: January 11, 2013, 03:33:08 PM »
We need to get Don occupied with biking issues and leave this other stuff alone. Focus on what you are good at.

I've read people on here in the past say he's good on biking issues, but does anyone know what any of his accomplishments actually are? Where was he when those new intersections on Laura Street butchered the roads for bikers (not to mention drivers too)?

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Re: Councilman Redman wants Metro Park concerts stopped
« Reply #59 on: January 11, 2013, 03:41:33 PM »
Tacachale, 

I think the world of your father who has proved what a great person he is over and over again.  Rick Mullaney is a scumbag, lowlife and events happened just as I outlined them.  Dick Suddath and I were the people who put up the money to hire lawyer Sid Ansbacher, fondly known as "The King of Public Records Requests".

An inside source in the courthouse told him about the letter of agreement between Mullaney and the Amphitheater developers that he was not releasing although it was covered by the records requests.  His bar membership could have been affected had we sued him about the issue as it was a clear violation of the Sunshine law.

We dodged a bullet on that amphitheater project.  There have been endless problems with them where they were built both because of noise and behaviors.  We got the Veteran's Arena instead and there is a concert there tomorrow night that everyone will enjoy and that will disturb no one.

We also dodged a major bullet when Mullaney lost the mayor's race.
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