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Author Topic: Huge Obama Rally Apparently Snubbed By Mayor Brown  (Read 1561 times)

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Re: Huge Obama Rally Apparently Snubbed By Mayor Brown
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2012, 07:23:58 PM »
What are you calling "most" of the expenses?  Much of what was named was paid by the taxpayer.

And yes, there were a lot of flight delays yesterday due to the Presidents arrival.  That is not false at all.

And all of the roads around the convention center were closed for hours, and I95 was cleared for his travel.  All true.

no one minded when it was Bush clogging the highways and biways
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Re: Huge Obama Rally Apparently Snubbed By Mayor Brown
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2012, 09:01:01 PM »
Back to the subject at hand, I remember Mayor Brown said that although he's a democrat, he wouldn't be engaging in any campaign activities for democrats while he is Mayor. If this is a campaign stop, and it seems like it was, he's just doing what he said. And if he went to a mayor's convention to do...um...mayor things, I am even more ok with this.

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Re: Huge Obama Rally Apparently Snubbed By Mayor Brown
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2012, 10:42:04 PM »
I think it's cool that the Mayor's staying the hell out of national politics.  Obama's reelection has nothing to do with him.  It certainly seems like he's doing his best to be a man of his word, instead of being the typical politician.  He's trying to put Jacksonville's issues above being a party affiliated sheep.  Even if he fails as Mayor, I'll respect him for trying to do it his way.

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Re: Huge Obama Rally Apparently Snubbed By Mayor Brown
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2012, 10:45:01 PM »
I think it's cool that the Mayor's staying the hell out of national politics.  Obama's reelection has nothing to do with him.

except that he campaigned on it...he told many Democrats during the primary that no Republicans would be there rallying the troops for Obama's reelection...only he (a Democrat) would do that.

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Re: Huge Obama Rally Apparently Snubbed By Mayor Brown
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2012, 10:46:38 PM »

And yes, there were a lot of flight delays yesterday due to the Presidents arrival.  That is not false at all.

And all of the roads around the convention center were closed for hours, and I95 was cleared for his travel.  All true.

fine...but do you have proof that these costs aren't being covered by the campaign?

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Re: Huge Obama Rally Apparently Snubbed By Mayor Brown
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2012, 11:14:15 PM »
Stephen, the difference between Bush and Obama is that we had more money under Bush to afford the gas we were wasting sitting in traffic.
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Re: Huge Obama Rally Apparently Snubbed By Mayor Brown
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2012, 11:18:50 PM »
JSO and JFRD did not receive any renumeration.  No businesses or agencies in the are were reimbursed, or given any consideration for the closed roads.  No airline or air passenger was reimbursed.  I would hope that the democratic committe paid for the building, but I don't know.  I would be surprised if the cost of AF1 was reimbursed in total.  That would be a million or more.  I am sure that the cost of Secret Service protection, including the cost of flying in autos and many agents plus their hotel and expenses was paid by the taxpayers. 

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Re: Huge Obama Rally Apparently Snubbed By Mayor Brown
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2012, 11:19:45 PM »
And it doesn't matter if it is a Rep or Dem doing this, it is wrong.

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Re: Huge Obama Rally Apparently Snubbed By Mayor Brown
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2012, 11:40:33 PM »
JSO and JFRD did not receive any renumeration.  No businesses or agencies in the are were reimbursed, or given any consideration for the closed roads.  No airline or air passenger was reimbursed.  I would hope that the democratic committe paid for the building, but I don't know.  I would be surprised if the cost of AF1 was reimbursed in total.  That would be a million or more.  I am sure that the cost of Secret Service protection, including the cost of flying in autos and many agents plus their hotel and expenses was paid by the taxpayers. 

Wanna make a bet on any of this?

NotNow beat me to my point - I would be SHOCKED to know that any president paid:
the Secret Service Salaries and expenses out of the campaign fund or AF 1 pilots/staff and expenses out of the campaign fund
-just off the top of my head..
A sitting President has MANY expenses involved that are provided by the tax payers because he is our Commander in Chief and we (presumably) do not want to lose him.  These are the things that are paid by the tax payers no matter what he is traveling for.
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Re: Huge Obama Rally Apparently Snubbed By Mayor Brown
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2012, 12:24:05 AM »
And, no matter what the reason for the president's trip, there are all sorts of other necessary big expenses anytime he moves around the country: advance teams, cargo planes, armored cars, Secret Service protection, communications and medical staff and more.

Presidents always are quick to stress that they reimburse the government for the costs of their political travel.

That's true, but they do so under rules that still leave taxpayers paying most of the tab.

For political trips benefiting his own campaign, Obama's team repays the government for air travel under a formula that's based on what it would cost to charter a Boeing 737 for a comparable trip, according to the White House. Obama's campaign doesn't have to pay the full cost for a chartered plane, though. It pays a reduced amount based on the number of people aboard Air Force One who were traveling for political reasons. That number excludes Secret Service agents and other support staff who always travel with the president.

Obama's political team also pays for items on the ground like food and lodging that are related to political events. Similar reimbursement rules govern political travel by the vice president and first lady, who fly on smaller, less costly military aircraft.

Despite the high costs to taxpayers, "these White Houses aren't doing anything wrong," says Brendan Doherty, an assistant professor at the U.S. Naval Academy who's written a forthcoming book on presidential campaigning.

If a president had to pay the true costs of his campaign travel, says Doherty, he'd never go anywhere for political purposes.

Obama is the first president to pay for re-election travel under updated rules adopted by the Federal Election Commission in 2009 to implement a lobbying and ethics reform law passed by Congress in 2007.

David Mason, a former FEC chairman, said the new rules -- linking reimbursement amounts to charter air rates rather than commercial airfare -- require the Obama campaign to pay significantly more than it would have under the old rules.

When President George W. Bush was running for re-election in 2004, his campaign and the Republican Party reimbursed the White House more than $1.3 million for "airlift operations," an Associated Press review of federal data shows. Those include itemized expenses for "in-flight services," like food and catering, and the president's helicopter, Marine One.

With the 2012 general election more than six months away, Obama already has exceeded that amount. Since late 2010, a separate Democratic Party "travel offset" account has paid roughly $1.5 million for similar expenses, according to FEC reports. And there can be considerable lag time between when political travel occurs and when reimbursements show up in campaign filings, so more payments are sure to be in the pipeline.



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/2012/04/26/20120426who-pays-when-president-travels-campaign.html#ixzz21EBQQRwP
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Re: Huge Obama Rally Apparently Snubbed By Mayor Brown
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2012, 01:31:22 AM »
Thank you Stephen - for finding that info
Any time a US President travels he has to have all the hallabaloo... and its expensive.. and unfortunately it is (we now know based on the research that Stephen did) jointly paid for by the the President and the tax payers.  Though, I am sure, the scale is a tad bit weighted in his favor more than ours... As the article Steven found states - if the President had to foot the full bill - he would never travel.. Unfortunately NO US President can safely travel without a heavily armed caravan... This President has more to be concerned with from dicidents than previous Presidents as he is not just disliked for his political actions but there are those out there who would take a shot at him just because of his ethnicity.  I can totally understand disliking political standings (opinions can always differ), but to dislike him just because of his pigmentation?? That higher "wacko factor" has to add to the security detail in some manner. Which of course equates to more money.
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Re: Huge Obama Rally Apparently Snubbed By Mayor Brown
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2012, 12:43:54 PM »
I don't have a problem with the use of AF1 or REASONABLE Secret Service protection for any sitting President.  The personal security of our Chief Executive is all of our responsibility.  I do think that the political party national committees should reimburse cities for the use of their people and equipment though.  I also think that the President's handlers should take into account the hardships that Presidential travel places on localities and work to minimize disruption.  That is why I agree that NAS Jax would have been a much better arrival/departure location than JIA. 

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Re: Huge Obama Rally Apparently Snubbed By Mayor Brown
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2012, 07:30:52 PM »
NotNow- I don't disagree with you.... I wonder if it was even entertained as an arrival location?

Incidentally the airspace over the city was infact shut down for the arrival of AF 1.  This was confirmed for me by a pilot friend of mine who was grounded for a period of time.  There may have been complications of the storm also, this I do not know. HOWEVER, AF 1 landing at NAS Jax would not have prevented the closing of airspace over the city... I do agree that it would certainly have been a more secure landing site than an international air port.
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Re: Huge Obama Rally Apparently Snubbed By Mayor Brown
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2012, 12:20:43 AM »
^ Now that you mention it, I kind of wonder why they did not land at NAS Jax instead of JIA.  Seems like the driving time would have been the same or less to Prime Osbourne. Seems like it would have been easier and not halted so much in the process.

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Re: Huge Obama Rally Apparently Snubbed By Mayor Brown
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2012, 01:50:55 PM »
I do think that the political party national committees should reimburse cities for the use of their people and equipment though. 

I've always wondered why churches don't pay cities for the use of their people and equipment on Sundays.
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