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Re: Destructive Flash Mob At Jacksonville Walmart
« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2012, 10:09:42 AM »
As a participating member of this particular flash nob, I don't see what the big deal is....

just blowing off a little steam.



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Re: Destructive Flash Mob At Jacksonville Walmart
« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2012, 10:27:46 AM »
If it makes you feel any better I-10, here are a couple of photos of 'White Boys' acting up.


White Boys


White Men


A 'REAL' smash mob, Tanks-of-the-1st SS Panzer Division Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler inKharkov March 1943.
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“Tell the Secretary I’ve already met with the Japanese, and we’ve decided to divide the Pacific Ocean 50/50, our ships will get the top, their ships will get the bottom."
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Re: Destructive Flash Mob At Jacksonville Walmart
« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2012, 09:13:18 PM »
To misquote Ms. Stein, " A mob is a mob is a mob".  To quote Heinlein, " ...a beast with 100 bellies and no brain."
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Re: Destructive Flash Mob At Jacksonville Walmart
« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2012, 10:38:46 PM »
you know......idyllic.

http://digitalcollections.fiu.edu/tequesta/files/1982/82_1_04.pdf

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From its earliest days as a tourist playground, Miami and Miami Beach attracted gamblers, bookies, and gangsters.

Racketeering became even more widespread in the post-war era, and in 1955 the Miami Heraldcalled the city the nation's leading gangster haven. When mobsters began buying up swanky Miami Beach hotels in the 1960s,

Newsweek labeled the place "Mob Town, U.S.A."22 In the 1970s, a new kind of crime wave swept metropolitan Miami - illegal drug smuggling, mostly organized by gangs of Columbian "cocaine cowboys."

Like much legitimate business, smuggled cocaine, marijuana, and quaaludes come to Miami by sea and air from Latin America and the Caribbean; like legitimate business profits, much of the drug money, properly laundered, finds its way into Miami banks, real estate, and business operations. "Illegal money is the major factor in the current boom in south Florida," says real estate man Kimball.

Almost half of all Miami real estate sales to offshore corpora- tions or foreign investors, Kimball contends, are paid for with laundered "narcobucks." At least four Miami banks, law enforcement authorities say, are actually owned by drug smugglers. Federal officials estimate that at least 28 billion dollars worth of illegal drugs come into the United States through south Florida each year.

North Miami's Thomas Sasso Pool was named after a family friend.
Mr.Sasso eventually tangled up in wrong doing.

Carl Hiaasen grew up nearby,over the county line.

In high school for a project I wanted to track ownersip info,patterns on particular parcels.....my instructor advised against it.

The neighborhood and many other elements were in fact "Idyllic",now not so.

Miami's lost inocence is appealing,and worth having lived through.I am glad I grew up there rather than here.

Carl Hiassen,in his book "Kick Ass",a compilation of some of his hardest hitting editorials,tied some of it together for me in the piece "Jacksonville's Millionth Mania". (hard copy edition)

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Re: Destructive Flash Mob At Jacksonville Walmart
« Reply #49 on: July 21, 2012, 12:32:50 AM »
whatever idyllic man.

You made your point about how you feel now that the colored peoples have moved in.

True colors in your post.

I feel sorry for you.
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Re: Destructive Flash Mob At Jacksonville Walmart
« Reply #50 on: July 21, 2012, 12:39:55 AM »
hmm seems like the white kids seem to be acting worse.  These guys are shooting to kill.

Why can't these violent whites get their culture in order?

Not just in colorado (a seriously white state):



AURORA, Colo. — As the new Batman movie played on the screen, a gunman dressed in black and wearing a helmet, body armor and a gas mask stepped through a side door. At first he was just a silhouette, taken by some in the audience for a stunt that was part of one of the summer's most highly anticipated films.

But then, authorities said, he threw gas canisters that filled the packed suburban Denver theater with smoke, and, in the confusing haze between Hollywood fantasy and terrifying reality, opened fire as people screamed and dove for cover.

At least 12 people were killed and 58 wounded – 11 critically – in one of the deadliest mass shootings in recent U.S. history.

"He looked like an assassin ready to go to war," said Jordan Crofter, a moviegoer who was unhurt in the attack early Friday, about a half-hour after the special midnight opening of "The Dark Knight Rises."

The gunman, identified by police as 24-year-old James Holmes, used a military-style semi-automatic rifle, a shotgun and a pistol, stopping only to reload.

The suspect marched up the aisle in the stadium-style theater, picking off those who tried to flee, witnesses said. Authorities said he hit scores of people, with a few of the 70 victims suffering their injuries not by gunfire but in the ensuing chaos. At least one person was struck in an adjacent theater by gunfire that went through the wall.

"He would reload and shoot and anyone who would try to leave would just get killed," said Jennifer Seeger, adding that bullet casings landed on her head and burned her forehead.

Within minutes, frantic 911 calls brought some 200 police officers, ambulances and emergency crews to the theater. Holmes was captured in the parking lot. Police said they later found that his nearby apartment was booby-trapped.

Authorities gave no motive for the attack. The FBI said there was no indication of ties to any terrorist groups.


In New York City, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said: "It clearly looks like a deranged individual. He has his hair painted red. He said he was the Joker, obviously the enemy of Batman."

Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates would not confirm that information, but did say he had spoken to Kelly. The two used to work together in New York. Asked whether Holmes had makeup to look like the Joker, Oates said: "That to my knowledge is not true."

It was the worst mass shooting in the U.S. since the Nov. 5, 2009, attack at Fort Hood, Texas. An Army psychiatrist was charged with killing 13 soldiers and civilians and wounding more than two dozen others.

It was the deadliest in Colorado since the Columbine High School massacre in suburban Denver in 1999, when two students killed 12 classmates and a teacher and wounded 26 others before killing themselves.

The latest shooting rocked this sprawling suburb of 325,000 east of Denver. A makeshift memorial with 12 candles in a row and piles of flowers sat at a corner near the entrance to the movie theater parking lot. Up the hill from there, about 20 pastors led an emotional vigil for about 350 people, some hugging and crying

At an emotional afternoon news conference, Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper said the people would rise above the spasm of violence, and ultimately not be "defined" by the tragedy.

The new Batman movie, the last in the trilogy starring Christian Bale, opened worldwide Friday with midnight showings in the U.S. The plot has the villain Bane facing Bale's Caped Crusader with a nuclear weapon that could destroy all of fictional Gotham.

The shooting prompted officials to cancel the red-carpet premiere in Paris, and some U.S. movie theaters stepped up security for daytime showings.

The film's director, Christopher Nolan, issued a statement on behalf of the cast and crew, expressing their "profound sorrow at the senseless tragedy."

"Nothing any of us can say could ever adequately express our feelings for the innocent victims of this appalling crime, but our thoughts are with them and their families," Nolan said.

The attack began shortly after midnight at the multiplex in Aurora. Audience members said they thought it was part of the movie, or some kind of stunt associated with it.

The film has several scenes of public mayhem – a hallmark of superhero movies. In one scene, Bane leads an attack on a stock exchange, and in another he leads a shooting and bombing rampage on a packed football stadium.

A federal law enforcement official said Holmes bought a ticket to the show, went into the theater as part of the crowd and propped open an exit door as the movie was playing. The suspect then donned protective ballistic gear and opened fire, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing investigation.

At some point, the gunman appeared to have stepped outside because several witnesses saw him come through the door.

"All I saw is the door swinging open and the street lights behind, and you could see a silhouette," said Crofter, who was sitting on the left side of the theater and toward the front.

Sylvana Guillen said the gunman, clad in dark clothing, appeared at the front of the theater as the character Catwoman appeared in the movie. Then they heard gunshots and smelled smoke from a canister he was carrying.

As she and her friend, Misha Mostashiry, ran to the exit, Guillen said, they saw a man slip in the blood of a wounded woman he was trying to help.

Oates said the gunman wore a gas mask and a ballistic helmet and vest, as well as leg, groin and throat protectors. He said he bought four guns from local gun shops in the last 60 days and 6,000 rounds of ammunition, including a drum magazine that could fire 50 to 60 rounds per minute.

"I thought it was showmanship. I didn't think it was real," Seeger said. She said she was in the second row, about four feet from the gunman, when he pointed a gun at her face. "I was just a deer in headlights. I didn't know what to do," she said.

Then she ducked to the ground as the gunman shot people seated behind her.

Seeger said she began crawling toward an exit when she saw a girl of about 14 "lying lifeless on the stairs." She saw a man with a bullet wound in his back and tried to check his pulse, but "I had to go. I was going to get shot."

Later, police began entering the theater, asking people to hold their hands up as they evacuated the building.

Some of the victims were treated for chemical exposure apparently related to canisters thrown by the gunman. Those hurt included a 4-month-old baby, who was treated at a hospital and released.

Authorities started to remove the bodies from the theater on Friday afternoon. Officials wheeled a black bag on a stretcher out of the front entrance, placing it in the back of a minivan. Ten people died in the theater, while two others died from their injuries later.

Oates said officers planned receive a list of those confirmed dead and meet with the family members of the deceased Friday night to tell them the fate of their loved ones.

Those who knew Holmes described him as a shy, intelligent person raised in California by parents who were active in their well-to-do suburban neighborhood in San Diego. Holmes played soccer at Westview High School and ran cross-country before going to college.

On Friday morning, police escorted Holmes' father, a manager of a software company, from their home while his mother, a nurse, stayed inside, receiving visitors who came to offer support. Holmes also has a younger sister.

"As you can understand, the Holmes family is very upset about all of this," Lt. Andra Brown, the San Diego police spokeswoman, told reporters in the driveway of the family home. "It's a tragic event and it's taken everyone by surprise. They are definitely trying to work through this."

Police released a statement from his family that said: "Our hearts go out to those who were involved in this tragedy and to the families and friends of those involved."

There have been no indications so far that Holmes had any run-ins with the law before Friday.

Tom Mai, a retired electrical engineer, said Holmes was a "shy guy" who came from a "very, very nice family."

Holmes graduated from University of California, Riverside, in the spring of 2010 a bachelor's degree in neuroscience, a school spokesman said. Mai said the mother told him Holmes couldn't find a job after earning a master's degree and returned to school.

He enrolled in the Ph.D. neuroscience program at the University of Colorado-Denver in June 2011 but left the program last month, according to the university.

Holmes lived in an apartment in Aurora, and FBI agents and police who went there discovered it was booby-trapped when they used a camera at the end of a 12-foot pole to look inside. Authorities evacuated surrounding residences, and about two dozen people headed to a shelter set up by the Red Cross at a local school.

Police were not able to enter the apartment Friday night and Oates said they will again on Saturday.

"It is a very vexing problem how to enter that apartment safely," he said.

but also locally:





The cracking of gunfire greeted Jacksonville police as they responded to a call of an armed robbery in progress at a Riverside Walgreens Wednesday night.
As officers approached the store at 2703 Park St., the gunfire could be heard coming from inside.
Those shots were fired by two men who had about 10 people held up, said James Cantrell, one of the victims of the robbery. But no one was hurt.
Thursday, police said they have charged two men with armed robbery with a firearm. John Martin Spaulding, 21, and Victor Anthony Mackey, 22, were being held in the Duval County jail.
An officer fired at Spaulding, who was trying to escape through the back door, said Chief Tom Hackney of the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office. He was carrying a gun.
Everything started just before midnight when two armed men dressed in black came into the 24-hour drugstore.
“I just stopped in there to use the bathroom,” Cantrell said. “As soon as I walked in, they fired a shot in the air — that’s when it started.”
The two men then demanded everyone empty their pockets, Cantrell said. They took his backpack to transport the spoils, including wallets, cigarettes and cell phones.
But the thieves were there for something else as well.
“They asked the cashier if they had any drugs in the back,” he said. “She said she didn’t have access to it, but the manager did.”
The men then moved everyone to the back of the store and got the manager.
“But he’d already called the police,” Cantrell said.
When the men noticed police had arrived, they began shooting in the air and telling everyone to get out.
Hackney said manager Martin Lewis was alerted by customers when the robbery began. He went to the office and called 911. Gunfire could be heard on the call, Hackney said.
As police were arriving, Mackey ran out the front door and was apprehended. He was carrying a backpack containing items stolen from customers in the store. A BB pistol was found in his waistband.
Hackney said Spaulding first ran to the front of the store then turned an headed to the back, firing at the window glass of the pharmacy as he ran. When he got outside, Officer Gerald S. Medlock, a 13-year veteran of the department, was there with his rifle and fired three shots.
No shots were fired at the officers.
Spaulding was not hit but retreated into the store where he was met by another officer who had entered from the front.
Hackney said one round from Medlock’s rifle struck the back wall of the store. Medlock is on standard administrative leave following the shooting.
He said danger from the rifle rounds was minimized because the backdrop was the store’s back wall.
Hackney said Spaulding is a suspect in similar cases involving other pharmacies and a convenience store.


Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-07-19/story/walgreens-armed-robbery-becomes-jacksonville-police-shooting#ixzz21EFbSzpT
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Re: Destructive Flash Mob At Jacksonville Walmart
« Reply #51 on: July 21, 2012, 06:03:03 AM »
Thanks for the predictable remarks Ock.... Did I ever say that blacks were the only ones committing crimes? No, but yall love twisting my words. I was talking specifically about in the black community, which I hold to a high standard (hopefully that's okay) but as alot of MJers do, yall always tilt the subject and talk about the crime in the population of the entire world, like after the Boston Vancouver Stanley Cup, soccer hooligan fights, the Nazi rise with Hitler etc, etc, etc. Just like if I was to talk about a problem in another city, than someone would come back with the obligatory predictable Jax-diss type comment "Well atleast they have blah blah blah park, and a vibrant entertainment district." How predictable. Using the Aurora shooting is pretty low as an example Stephen, and don't get me wrong, I'm not one of these uptight easily offended type people either; You could have simply made an Aurora movie tragedy thread, and moved on. I won't say anything about crime in the black community again on MJ; I thought that yall were big boys that could handle a lil' outspoken, unbiased, and un-PC chat for a little bit, but the PC monster rears it's ugly head.
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Re: Destructive Flash Mob At Jacksonville Walmart
« Reply #52 on: July 21, 2012, 12:29:05 PM »
Parents,  character, and personal responsibility.  It has nothing  to do with race except when large groups of one race or class exhibit such a lack of restraint/responsible behavior.  I will leave the systemic reasons in this case to I-10, as he seems to have the best insight.


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Re: Destructive Flash Mob At Jacksonville Walmart
« Reply #53 on: July 22, 2012, 03:17:53 PM »
I-10 east, I think you and a few others started with the predictable comments. It's fine to talk about crime in the black community...but that conversation happens all of the time. We never have conversations about crime in the white community. We never talk about the cultural implications for white america when white teenage boys shoot out schools and kill large numbers of people. When it's white america we, generally speaking, know to dissociate the individual actions of a few from their general demographic.

That's why I brought up the vancouver riots and the australian party because race was not and will never be a fixture of the conversation. I can only imagine the bold punditry that would occur if black americans started rioting after a major sporting event.

So, I was hoping we could kill that aspect of the predictable commentary about black america and those kids who ran into a walmart then ran out, with out doing anything at all worth discussing. I'm also hoping to kill this false idea of racial public relations "making black people look bad." Do those kids make you look bad? They're not you. You weren't there. You didn't set it up. You didin't encourage it. You think it was a terrible thing. So, how can they make you look bad, right?

Bridgetroll, I don't know that thefts happened and neither does wal-mart. I don't condone stealing nor do I excuse it not for walmart's sake but for the sake of the kids who may have stolen, morally and legally speaking. And, again, based off of that video I didn't see conduct that was nefarious I saw conduct that was uproarious. I'm not sure if their conduct is worth condoning or condemning.

If I saw those kids on the way to Wal-Mart my major concern wouldn't be for wal-mart but for those kids. The dumbest thing they did was underestimate the potential for over zealous employees and police who see a group of black kids and decide they need to take action.

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« Reply #54 on: July 22, 2012, 04:43:15 PM »
We never talk about the cultural implications for white america when white teenage boys shoot out schools and kill large numbers of people.

Does anybody know the actual total number of people shot in Colorado because the news' numbers are contradicting each other
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Re: Destructive Flash Mob At Jacksonville Walmart
« Reply #55 on: July 22, 2012, 08:26:26 PM »
whatever idyllic man.

You made your point about how you feel now that the colored peoples have moved in.

True colors in your post.

I feel sorry for you.

OK Mr. G!
I speak only in regards to demographic shift,influence,historical comparison. Apparently I am about twenty years ahead of you.You were lax on Five Points riot-when the community rises to it"s feet in concern and response you snicker,or create silly dark posters.So be it.

At least we here in Jacksonville do not hear reference to "The Triangle"; Miami's Opa-locka section where a great number of shootings have taken place consistently for the past.....20 years.

Come to think about it,maybe we have our own version,perhaps a bit shorter in time span (maybe not) and perhaps not so triangular.........inverted "L",reversed inverted "L". These things are worth watching.

Carl Hiaasen might be interested. Take the heat off bad 'ol MiaMI.
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Re: Destructive Flash Mob At Jacksonville Walmart
« Reply #56 on: July 22, 2012, 08:35:16 PM »
whatever idyllic man.

You made your point about how you feel now that the colored peoples have moved in.

True colors in your post.

I feel sorry for you.

OK Mr. G!

At least we here in Jacksonville do not hear reference to "The Triangle"; Miami's Opa-locka section where a great number of shootings have taken place consistently for the past.....20 years.

Come to think about it,maybe we have our own version,perhaps a bit shorter in time span (maybe not) and perhaps not so triangular.........inverted "L",reversed inverted "L". These things are worth watching.

Carl Hiaasen might be interested. Take the heat off bad 'ol MiaMI.

Whatever.  Your theories on how Miami was ruined by the coloreds is way more interesting than anything Mr. Hiaasen has written lately. 
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« Reply #57 on: July 22, 2012, 08:54:32 PM »
whatever idyllic man.

You made your point about how you feel now that the colored peoples have moved in.

True colors in your post.

I feel sorry for you.

OK Mr. G!

At least we here in Jacksonville do not hear reference to "The Triangle"; Miami's Opa-locka section where a great number of shootings have taken place consistently for the past.....20 years.

Come to think about it,maybe we have our own version,perhaps a bit shorter in time span (maybe not) and perhaps not so triangular.........inverted "L",reversed inverted "L". These things are worth watching.

Carl Hiaasen might be interested. Take the heat off bad 'ol MiaMI.

Whatever.  Your theories on how Miami was ruined by the coloreds is way more interesting than anything Mr. Hiaasen has written lately.

Indeed-consider Carl's placement,position..Much more complicated than posting on MJ.
Classic safe followup to "Millionth Mania" would be Shoppes Of Avondale.South Florida readership would likely react: "Too Bad Suckers!"   Damn Hicks-Dumb Azzz_ Jack-son-ville

We could go there together....I'll drop you off at certain areas.you on foot.I'll drive away.We do this five days in a row.
No fair alerting Carl ahead of time,the press 'coverage' would impair the study.

We could make practice runs in Jacksonville.

All of this is simply in the interest of demographic study,trends.Obviously way too much here.

Mr. G would make a good Hiaasen character.

Dribbles here proof positive it is best to simply reply/post less.
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Re: Destructive Flash Mob At Jacksonville Walmart
« Reply #58 on: July 22, 2012, 10:14:31 PM »
I think the word you are looking for here, especially in reference to your posts is 'drivel'.

Im sorry you are afraid of and loathe the colored folks, north miami/know growth.

You hate infill, you are against anti sprawl philosophy, and apparently you don't care too much for the non whites.

Perhaps you could find a better venue in which to peddle your nonsense?
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Re: Destructive Flash Mob At Jacksonville Walmart
« Reply #59 on: March 26, 2013, 01:28:16 PM »
Well, this was a fun thread. Ock. you cracked me up with "white boys acting up."