Umm ... perhaps I wasn't clear, I like Bay Street ... think its great ... but why park three blocks away with "free parking" where I have to walk past the poor guy sleeping on a building doorstep and two guys asking for money for the bus (which at 2am when bars and clubs are closing doesn't even run) when I can go to SJTC and park right in front of the bar, in a lighted lot with police patrolling constantly (they even have little golf carts now, which I think is funny but safer none the less). Parking is not easy if you want to shop in SJTC during day ... and DT would definetely attract the crowds because it is centralized and no matter where you go in the country "downtown" always draws people ... just out of curiosity I guess if nothing else, but there is nothing DT that would make me go there. Everything there is for people who work right there or live right there. Which is nice for them, but no reason for me to go. And yes, I know and love the commuter rail project they've talked about ... but its just talk. It would be great if they could do it, but as of now ... it doesn't help anyone. And being that it is at least 3 to 5 years down the road, that train has left the station.