Mothballing: simple costs

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Timkin,

Is it possible that someone can discuss the Annie Lyle without it turning into a public therapy session about your feelings of persecution?

It's really off putting, and distracting from the actual subject.

Just sayin.

Yet you allow Noone to insert his message into every topic.....

Both of these guys have poured heart and soul into their respective projects.   I feel funny even typing this, but for you to belittle them.... c'mon - you're better than that. 

It's like calling out Ock for going railroad.  Tufsu for going Winn Dixie  .   Lake for going holistic.  Faye for going retarded (OK, low blow that's uncalled for don't delete it, just strike through it - like it never happened)

Tim & John have literally spilt blood for their causes.  I say - REDACT!  PS#4 is his ONLY subject 78% of the time.   

[Timkin]

Timkin,

Is it possible that someone can discuss the Annie Lyle without it turning into a public therapy session about your feelings of persecution?

It's really off putting, and distracting from the actual subject.

Just sayin.

Didn't realize that was the message I was putting out, Stephen.  Esp when I am blamed for events I had nothing to do with.

Sorry. Will try to be more careful in my wording.

and with all due respect I agree with Debbie. Sorry for my part in this going completely off topic.  Really I think I have said all I can say on the matter. Seemed to me that I was appointed (by a poster whom I will not name) as the culprit behind preventing a privately-paid for demolition a decade ago . There is not an ounce of truth to that.  I simply was defending my position . Surely Stephen, you would do the same?

[stephendare]

Timkin,

Is it possible that someone can discuss the Annie Lyle without it turning into a public therapy session about your feelings of persecution?

It's really off putting, and distracting from the actual subject.

Just sayin.

Didn't realize that was the message I was putting out, Stephen.  Esp when I am blamed for events I had nothing to do with.

Sorry. Will try to be more careful in my wording.

and with all due respect I agree with Debbie. Sorry for my part in this going completely off topic.  Really I think I have said all I can say on the matter. Seemed to me that I was appointed (by a poster whom I will not name) as the culprit behind preventing a privately-paid for demolition a decade ago . There is not an ounce of truth to that.  I simply was defending my position . Surely Stephen, you would do the same?

Having been blamed for everything from international sodomy to rabies and rubella on this site, I sympathize timkin!

It just makes a few gamboling imps on this site irresistibly driven to yank your chain on it, with the (for them) gratifying outcome that you do a little dance of dismay for them every time.  Its very tragic.  Very harlequin.

I think its much better to point out the flaws in their reasoning and simply invite them to explain them.  Most people don't want to be either obtuse or spiteful, and Ive found when they really think through the issues that no one ever brings up about the insane unsustainable policies of the past 5 decades, they usually arrive at similar conclusions as the rest of us have.

I know that its much easier to change my own point of view on something when I am free to do so without being responsible for someone else's emotional state as a complicating factor.  (which is probably why I have to apologize so much, I suppose)

And of course every thread on School Number Four for two years has ended up being about you and mtrain.  It doesn't allow anyone to get involved with the issue of saving the school itself.

Its not very fair to the subject of mothballing in springfield.

[Timkin]

With any and all due respect,  My purpose here is to stand up for what I think is right.  I think I understand what you are getting at.  I don't know M-train personally, Nor Kaiser, Nor even you, Stephen.

My intention is to get PS #4 saved.  That should be the most obvious point that I try to make.  If by doing so I have to take jabs from M-train , Kaiser and who ever else , so be it.

I hope it is saved.... and that I can move on to another adventure.

No regret whatsoever up to now.

[Debbie Thompson]

Since this thread has moved into a discussion about PS4, would it be possible to take the latest couple pages of PS4 posts and move them over to the PS4 thread in the Riverside forum

I'm all for saving PS#4. My love affair with that building began in 1973 when I worked in the brand new building across I-95 from it, originally the Haskell Building. It was the company I worked for, Treco, that arranged the limited partnership for Ida Stevens Foundation on the Stevens Duval Apartments.  I was thrilled when they bought the school because I knew it would be saved...until the incentives went away.  I inquired about the condos for our residence.

That said, I still think the PS#4 discussion pages belong in the Riverside section, where I will happily go give my 2 cents on the subject.  I could be wrong, but my thought is people don't look for PS4 discussions in the Springfield topic.

[Timkin]

 It was never my intent to hijack this thread with an ongoing discussion about it. For my part in this , I apologize Debbie.

 The endangered landmarks and Historic residences matter to me, where ever they are. Springfield, Brooklyn, Downtown,etc .  There is an appeal to the designs and durability of that era that simply is not the norm in modern construction.   

It has always been my hope that all of these places can be spared.  Contrary to what has been stated , this has never about 'me'.    While some may enjoy pulling my chain, about my convictions, I think the same can be said for others in other instances.  I guess it is how we as individuals deal with that, that makes us all different.

[Debbie Thompson]

I 100% agree with you, Timkin. I, too, am interested in ALL the historic buildings in Jacksonville, no matter what neighborhood they are in.  I just thought we should move the PS#4 part to the Riverside page, that's all.  And if we are discussing something in San Marco, that's where it should be.  :-)

[Timkin]

Agree completely Debbie.   I wanted to point out that you made a passing remark which got me to thinking. You mentioned the older Haskell Building.. Remember it well .  Visited often as Haskell had an in-house print shop there.   

This is a great example of a building literally jammed up against the very same expressway, and while Im sure it is mostly vacant, the point is , that does not render it unusable. 

[Debbie Thompson]

The really important thing to know, Timkin, is that the expressway was already there when it was built. OK, not as high on the building as it is now, but it was there, and we built it anyway.  And guess what?  We never heard the expressway when we were inside the building working. I guess they put in windows that kept the sound down, yes, even in 1973.  Hmmm....wonder if you would hear it in a condo across the way, with what must be even better sound-deadening windows in 2013?  Probably not.  :-)

But there I go again, after I asked not once, but twice, to move this discussion, going off on the PS#4 tangent with you.  LOL

[Timkin]

The really important thing to know, Timkin, is that the expressway was already there when it was built. OK, not as high on the building as it is now, but it was there, and we built it anyway.  And guess what?  We never heard the expressway when we were inside the building working. I guess they put in windows that kept the sound down, yes, even in 1973.  Hmmm....wonder if you would hear it in a condo across the way, with what must be even better sound-deadening windows in 2013?  Probably not.  :-)

But there I go again, after I asked not once, but twice, to move this discussion, going off on the PS#4 tangent with you.  LOL

totally okay, Debbie.