Mothballing: simple costs

[sheclown]

Mothballing allows for tarp and other roof patching as a stop gap measure.  Not sure how it would work on something that large.

[Kaiser Soze]

Mothballing the school would be a huge undertaking.  But one WELL WORTH it.  And it would provide an sensible owner the necessary time to rehab the school.  A city that cares is a city that does the RIGHT thing.  And protecting and saving the school is the right thing in my opinion.  Shoot, I'd even consider taking a year of sabitical to volunteer to mothball the school if it meant saving it.

That eye sore should be torn down immediately. 

[iloveionia]

Don't forget your pitch forks and torches!
That way you are identifiable and I can look you straight in the face: the devil wields no power over a good person.
Maybe it's time to go back to picking beans in Guatemala.
Hoo Rah.

[ben says]

Mothballing the school would be a huge undertaking.  But one WELL WORTH it.  And it would provide an sensible owner the necessary time to rehab the school.  A city that cares is a city that does the RIGHT thing.  And protecting and saving the school is the right thing in my opinion.  Shoot, I'd even consider taking a year of sabitical to volunteer to mothball the school if it meant saving it.

That eye sore should be torn down immediately.

Joking, right?

[Timkin]

Mothballing the school would be a huge undertaking.  But one WELL WORTH it.  And it would provide an sensible owner the necessary time to rehab the school.  A city that cares is a city that does the RIGHT thing.  And protecting and saving the school is the right thing in my opinion.  Shoot, I'd even consider taking a year of sabitical to volunteer to mothball the school if it meant saving it.

That eye sore should be torn down immediately. 

Do you want to contribute to the 3/4 of a million dollars it would cost tax payers to demo it? 


I didn't think so   

[Timkin]

Don't forget your pitch forks and torches!
That way you are identifiable and I can look you straight in the face: the devil wields no power over a good person.
Maybe it's time to go back to picking beans in Guatemala.
Hoo Rah.

amusing !!    I love it!

[Kaiser Soze]

Mothballing the school would be a huge undertaking.  But one WELL WORTH it.  And it would provide an sensible owner the necessary time to rehab the school.  A city that cares is a city that does the RIGHT thing.  And protecting and saving the school is the right thing in my opinion.  Shoot, I'd even consider taking a year of sabitical to volunteer to mothball the school if it meant saving it.

That eye sore should be torn down immediately. 

Do you want to contribute to the 3/4 of a million dollars it would cost tax payers to demo it? 


I didn't think so   

Do you want the taxpayers to pay the same amount to mothball it?  How about when a firefighter is injured next time a fire breaks out?  Is that worth the cost?

[Kaiser Soze]

Mothballing the school would be a huge undertaking.  But one WELL WORTH it.  And it would provide an sensible owner the necessary time to rehab the school.  A city that cares is a city that does the RIGHT thing.  And protecting and saving the school is the right thing in my opinion.  Shoot, I'd even consider taking a year of sabitical to volunteer to mothball the school if it meant saving it.

That eye sore should be torn down immediately.

Joking, right?

Absolutely not.

[Timkin]

Mothballing the school would be a huge undertaking.  But one WELL WORTH it.  And it would provide an sensible owner the necessary time to rehab the school.  A city that cares is a city that does the RIGHT thing.  And protecting and saving the school is the right thing in my opinion.  Shoot, I'd even consider taking a year of sabitical to volunteer to mothball the school if it meant saving it.

That eye sore should be torn down immediately. 

Do you want to contribute to the 3/4 of a million dollars it would cost tax payers to demo it? 


I didn't think so   

Do you want the taxpayers to pay the same amount to mothball it?  How about when a firefighter is injured next time a fire breaks out?  Is that worth the cost?

NO I am not asking the taxpayers for squat.   Nor am I asking you for help.  You sound hauntingly like another poster on the site but thats okay.  Opinions are like rear-ends. We all have one and everyone's is different.  If its demolished , THAT IS on your dime .  If it is saved or mothballed , it would not be.

It is okay to have an opinion put please try to know what you're talking about

[Kaiser Soze]

Mothballing the school would be a huge undertaking.  But one WELL WORTH it.  And it would provide an sensible owner the necessary time to rehab the school.  A city that cares is a city that does the RIGHT thing.  And protecting and saving the school is the right thing in my opinion.  Shoot, I'd even consider taking a year of sabitical to volunteer to mothball the school if it meant saving it.

That eye sore should be torn down immediately. 

Do you want to contribute to the 3/4 of a million dollars it would cost tax payers to demo it? 


I didn't think so   

Do you want the taxpayers to pay the same amount to mothball it?  How about when a firefighter is injured next time a fire breaks out?  Is that worth the cost?

NO I am not asking the taxpayers for squat.   Nor am I asking you for help.  You sound hauntingly like another poster on the site but thats okay.  Opinions are like rear-ends. We all have one and everyone's is different.  If its demolished , THAT IS on your dime .  If it is saved or mothballed , it would not be.

It is okay to have an opinion put please try to know what you're talking about

So, who is paying for the mothballing?  You sound hauntingly like a know-it-all jackass who loves to spend other people's money.

[stephendare]

Mothballing the school would be a huge undertaking.  But one WELL WORTH it.  And it would provide an sensible owner the necessary time to rehab the school.  A city that cares is a city that does the RIGHT thing.  And protecting and saving the school is the right thing in my opinion.  Shoot, I'd even consider taking a year of sabitical to volunteer to mothball the school if it meant saving it.

That eye sore should be torn down immediately. 

Do you want to contribute to the 3/4 of a million dollars it would cost tax payers to demo it? 


I didn't think so   

Do you want the taxpayers to pay the same amount to mothball it?  How about when a firefighter is injured next time a fire breaks out?  Is that worth the cost?

NO I am not asking the taxpayers for squat.   Nor am I asking you for help.  You sound hauntingly like another poster on the site but thats okay.  Opinions are like rear-ends. We all have one and everyone's is different.  If its demolished , THAT IS on your dime .  If it is saved or mothballed , it would not be.

It is okay to have an opinion put please try to know what you're talking about

So, who is paying for the mothballing?  You sound hauntingly like a know-it-all jackass who loves to spend other people's money.

Kaiser, this kind of posting will get your comments deleted.  People can have a different point of view than you do without being called a jackass.

Especially, in this case, where it happens that you are also factually mistaken.

It costs more, even in the short run, to demolish a house than it does to mothball it.

But the long term costs, in terms of property taxes, is just devastating by comparison.  Cant tax a structure that doesn't exist can you?

Under your scenario, you would be spending twice the amount of our tax dollars than with mothballing.

And can we cut it out with the 'other people's money' tea bag nonsense?

Taxes belong to all of us, thats what a democracy runs off of.

Its not 'other people's money', it is public money, to be spent on maintaining our infrastructure, and whatever we as taxpayers decide it should be spent on.

I feel you on the amount of our personal incomes that we are being required to pay in order to fund less and less, but that dynamic is being driven by the exact mentality that would rather throw away something old and already paid for in favor of building something new that you have to borrow money to construct.

In other words, the exact policy you are advocating that we employ in this case.

But taxation rates is a separate matter, and there are plenty of potential threads upon which to discuss them.

In this case, it is cheaper and wiser to mothball.

[Timkin]

Mothballing the school would be a huge undertaking.  But one WELL WORTH it.  And it would provide an sensible owner the necessary time to rehab the school.  A city that cares is a city that does the RIGHT thing.  And protecting and saving the school is the right thing in my opinion.  Shoot, I'd even consider taking a year of sabitical to volunteer to mothball the school if it meant saving it.

That eye sore should be torn down immediately. 

Do you want to contribute to the 3/4 of a million dollars it would cost tax payers to demo it? 


I didn't think so   

Do you want the taxpayers to pay the same amount to mothball it?  How about when a firefighter is injured next time a fire breaks out?  Is that worth the cost?

NO I am not asking the taxpayers for squat.   Nor am I asking you for help.  You sound hauntingly like another poster on the site but thats okay.  Opinions are like rear-ends. We all have one and everyone's is different.  If its demolished , THAT IS on your dime .  If it is saved or mothballed , it would not be.

It is okay to have an opinion put please try to know what you're talking about

So, who is paying for the mothballing?  You sound hauntingly like a know-it-all jackass who loves to spend other people's money.

Kaiser... I have not identified the source of where mothballing would come from to Mothball the building.  I can assure you it will not be asked of you , or come from YOUR tax dollars.    We are working tirelessly to identify a new owner and a funding source for the School as others are trying to revitalize other historic properties.

Your opinion was clear, you do not want to see the building saved. Fine . that is your opinion.  If it comes to that, IT WILL BE YOUR tax dollars , in part that fund that demolition.

What we are trying to do is find a new owner with funding for it without looking to the taxpayer.. in fact I am pretty certain taxpayer money will never fund anything about the school, EXCEPT demolition.    That this City is on the hook to maintain it  (which does come from tax dollars) you have the building's OWNER , not the building to thank.


Your message was crystal clear.  While I do not agree with you , you are entitled to your opinion.

[sheclown]

It is the city's responsibility to provide for the safety of its citizens.  For the last five years or so, it has chosen to do this by just demolishing everything in sight.  That is the opposite of being sustainable as Stephen pointed out.  So, COJ want to have this "sustainability" push?  Then mothball.

It is written in the ordinance codes already that COJ can do everything which falls under the mothballing category.  If code enforcement doesn't want to be bothered, let the Neighborhoods Department do it.  They are handling the NSP money which could be used anyway.

The school ought to be mothballed right away and it should be mothballed by the city.  It is the right thing to do.  It is the sustainable thing to do.  It is the economical thing to do.

And once it is mothballed, it has time to breathe while that new owner is found.

And, while we are at it, let's roll in a foreclosure against Tarpon for the nuisance lien of mothballing if it doesn't participate in the monitoring section of the mothballing requirement.

[Timkin]

We are waiting on a hold-harmless agreement , which will at least allow us to clean and detail the property .  The previous one is invalid ,since the School and the land around it ,cut out of the tract.  This hold-harmless would at least make it possible to get up to the building and cleanup and board up.

Dogwalker has offered a metal material to be attached to some of the lower-level openings and attached in such a fashion so that it is not easy to access. 

I don't know if a replacement roof on the Auditorium would be feasible under a Mothballing effort.  By itself , that would cost a lot , as the entire roof system now must be replaced.

And of course if I say I agree that the City should do it ( I am not saying that but if I did) I would again come under scrutiny for using taxpayer money.   We are seeking sources outside of the City and the taxpayer to accomplish this, rather than the burden of demolition which most certainly will be passed on to the taxpayers. Id rather see 3/4 of a million spent to save the structure than remove it.

And I will continue to seek a way to save it.. for as long as it takes.

[ChriswUfGator]

Stephen is right, it costs far more to the community to demolish a structure (thereby ensuring it remains nothing more than a non-tax-producing, vibrancy-killing, vacant lot) than it does to remedy the deficiencies. Even PS4 is probably no exception. In Springfield, the area giving the most pushback at the present moment, by Kimberly Scott's own admission you could mothball 3 houses for the cost of demolishing 1.

So exactly WTF is going on with the ongoing demolition rampage, I don't know. The height of short-sightedness, the community will be paying for it for decades to come. You'd think we'd have learned from the post-apocalyptic atmosphere these same policies have created downtown.