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Re: Money Management 101
« Reply #120 on: July 20, 2012, 12:56:57 PM »
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Why should we care about income inequality? A century ago, the answer (at least for the ruling class) was, "Because if we don't, there will be a violent socialist revolution." Today we don't have to worry about that so much, for some reason, so we need to address the question more directly.

Let me start by conceding a point that conservatives often make: Yes, a certain amount of income inequality is necessary in a capitalist system. You have to let the market reward effort and skill. But a system in which inequality of incomes constantly increases over time is worrisome.

Why is it necessary to reward so much more today than in 1979 the effort and skill (and dumb luck) that gets you into the top 1 percent of incomes (i.e., above about $350,000)? In 1979 the top 1 percent consumed about 10 percent of the nation’s collective income. In 2010 it consumed about 20 percent. (That includes capital gains.) Sure, the economy was in lousy shape in 1979. But the top 1 percent contented itself with 9-12 percent of the nation’s collective income for three decades prior to 1979, during the great post-World War II economic boom. Indeed, income share for the top 1 percent fell a little during that period. From the early 1930s through the late 1970s incomes in America didn’t become more unequal; they became more equal. So clearly the top earners can get by on much less without undermining capitalism.

So that’s why growing inequality isn’t necessary. Why is it worrisome?

Because it creates alienation. I worry less about the 99 percent (which, let’s face it, includes a lot of pretty affluent people) than about the bottom 60 or 50 percent. Income earners at the median have not shared in America’s prosperity. They’ve actually seen their incomes go down (after inflation) during the past decade, and over the past three decades their increases seem pitiful compared both with people earning top incomes (and here I mean not just the top 1 percent but the top 10 and even 20 percent) and with people at the median during the postwar era. For a long time economists said: Wait until productivity rebounds. Then working families will get their share. But when productivity rebounded like crazy in the aughts, working families saw no reward.

What this means is that if you’re at the median you have no positive reason to care how the economy does. Your only motivation is fear—if the economy does really badly you may lose your job. But there’s no upside.

I think this situation has a lot to do with why there’s so much suspicion of institutions that knit the country together—Congress, the media, etc. Logically the suspicion should be directed at the rich, but nobody knows what Lloyd Blankfein looks like. Everybody knows what Barack Obama and John Boehner look like. So people rage against Washington, and government, and you get both the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street. These groups are quite different in their political orientation, but both groups express contempt for democratic processes.

I also think that the social deterioration of the working class described in Charles Murray’s recent book Coming Apart—out-of-wedlock births, dwindling church attendance, etc.—is largely attributable to the Great Divergence. Murray perversely insists that it’s entirely cultural, but if you ignore that then his book does a pretty good job describing what happens to a society in which people lose their sense of common purpose.

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_book_club/features/2012/tim_noah_s_the_great_divergence/timothy_noah_great_divergence_book_why_does_income_inequality_matter_.html

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« Reply #121 on: July 22, 2012, 08:41:16 AM »
Ok, it has been a full week so everyone should have completed researching their expenses.
Congrats--you have completed the first step in better financial mgt. Were the results eye-opening? I hope so. Any room for improvement? That was rhetorical.....

Why reduce spending? Good question. This where it helps to have goals-they give you a purpose, a priority to weigh your spending against. If you are saving to buy a house, do you really need a 175th pair of shoes? The newest Pad? Does the baby really need food? (just wanted to see if you were paying attention)

Goal--where should I start? Can't help much there--you need to decide what is financially important to you. Discuss(very important) it with your significant other. Do you have different goals? You will need to work together. Make sure your goal is attainable for short term goals based upon your current income level. Long term goals often include higher income as part of it so that isn't such a concern. If you have a goal that seems large in number or time frame--that is fine. However, break it down into smaller increments to not make it so daunting. You don't want to be discouraged right from the start. In addition, as you successfully hit those smaller targets, it will encourage you to keep going. Or, if you find yourself "off target", it will be easier to adjust accordingly.

How to achieve the goal? This is the hard part but should be easier now that you have some data to work with: spending history and income. Where can you spend less to help you achieve that goal? I like to look at spening reduction in two ways:
1. Little to no effect on lifestyle.
2. Life style changers

We will look at just 1 for now since number 2 can be a bitch. If you can accomplish all of your goals with just number 1, fantastic.

"Little to no effect on lifestyle". By little, I mean you may have to lift a finger to accomplish it. Gasp! Or worse, Think! Basically, this is just doing the same things more "financially efficiently". I challenge everyone to do this based upon their lifestyle. Uh, how about some examples? Fine....some if not all will be repeats from the first go around of this thread so for "veteran MM's", I am sorry for repeating but of course I would ask you...are you doing these? Did you think of some of your own that fit you better? Some of these will be very low dollar and you may not think it is worth it. You may be right but please remember that little ones eventually add up to bigger ones. A quick 10:

1. Shopping--just minor use of coupons/rebates or paying attention to sales will save you significantly money. I can pretty much guarantee that most could save a minimum of 20% off their grocery bill without changing what they are buying.
2. Use better driving habits (and proper car maint) and you will really help your gas mileage. Check your annual gas spending and tell me if 10% of that would look good in your pocket. What is a better driving habit? Think about it.
3. Take advantage of credit cards and get paid 1%-5% on every purchase you make. It adds up. NOT FOR UNDISCIPLINED SHOPPERS
4. Don't buy bottled water. I did an earlier post on this but my point was that you are a a making a STUPID financial decision if you buy it regularly instead of having a bubbler or filter. Next time you buy it, see how much you are paying and do the annual math.
5. Conserve energy. I also did an earlier post on this and am happy to report that since actively paying more attention, we are using 15-20% less energy.
6. Use Opentable for dinner reservations. If you are going to eat at one of the restaurants, you might as well be paid a dollar.
7. Make your own coffee in the morning. OK, this could be a considered a 'life style changer" if you get those obscene fancy Starbucks (my stock portfolio thanks you by the way) drinks, but if you just get regular coffee, sorry it is not. It takes no longer than an extra stop and with a small up front investment of a decent coffee maker, you can have better coffee at a much cheaper price.
8. Use cheap household products for cleaning and weed killing. Just google it--they work.
9. Pay bills on time(or early for house insurance) and use the cheapest option(no convenience fees, etc). Yes, this sounds simple but.........
10. Check the price of something online before you buy it in a store. Note, this may indirectly save alot more money by just having you think longer on purchase and maybe you decide you don't need it.

There are tons of ways to save money without changing your lifestlye. Just think about.....and then DO IT.

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Re: Money Management 101
« Reply #122 on: July 22, 2012, 08:54:29 AM »
TAXES.

Ugly topic. Just typing almost put me in a bad mood. However, it is an important prelude to talking about investing. I am not going to talk about doing your taxes. I am going to ask you you to do some simple research (1/2 hour max) and make sure you understand how tax brackets work, income thresholds, and how it applies to your individual situation. Yes, you will need to know your approximate deductions but  that shouldn't take long either.

This will help you determine what type of accounts you may want to have (Ira, etc) and can also help you determine what type of investments you may want to have in each.

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« Reply #123 on: July 22, 2012, 10:35:25 AM »
Investing. Who should be investing? EVERYONE.

There are many ways to invest but since this is a financial thread, I will be concentrating on financial products.   So, there will be no discussion of chickens or beaver pelts. And, if you feel that we are about to go into financial meltdown and never recover you can pretty much skip this. Of course, if there is a slight chance you are wrong....maybe stick around as a hedge.

"It takes money to make money". Agreed. Then if I wasn't born with money or currently not making much money, then I am at a disadvantage! Agreed. Now that we have that out of the way, you can curl up in a ball and cry, spend hours bitching and moaning, wait for handouts, or you can do something about it. Anyone not going with option number four can be dismissed early. Best of luck.

From thinking about your financial goals, you have probably determined that some of them cannot be realized (especially in the desired time frame) without more income no matter how much save. How do you get it? Well, the main ways are by higher paying jobs or investing (I will include own business as investing). I hope everyone attains higher paying jobs over time if that is your desire but I will not be discussing that. I will be concentrating on reduced spending(of course) and what you do with that reduced spending. Why? Simple. I think they are the easiest to control.

Some of you may have a negative association with investing---probably because of "Wall Street" vs "Main Street" mentality that is so pervasive. Not too many glowing articles on "Wall Street....unless of course it is for the "evil rich". It is stacked against the small guy!So unfair! Corrupt! Hedge Funds!The Lost Decade!Speculators!Dumb Luck! Blah Blah Blah Blah. Well, I would like you to think about things differently. Actually, I just want you to think.

Think? Here's an example. This is not a recommendation to buy the stock that I am about to mention. I just want to "wet the appetite" a bit for how to look at things as a "lowly main streeter":

Fuel prices. Fuel prices have been pretty high for a long time now. This has probably had quite an effect on you financially in a variety of ways, not the least of which is how much you spend on gas. How much has higher gas prices have cost you over the years? Is it thousands? Probably. Damn speculators. Damn oil companies. Screwing the little guy. Got a question for you. What if you had invested in one of the evil oil companies for the same period of time--say Exxon Mobile? Covered your increased gas cost? It would depend how much you drive and how much you invested but maybe.....and then some.

Hind sight is 20/20? Dumb luck? Let's break it down. You know about how much you have to drive....you know what you get MPG....thus you can easily determine how much price changes affect you financially. You buy XOM.What happens if oil prices stay high? You pay more at the pump...you likely make more money on XOM. Oil prices start to drop....what happens? You now make less money on XOM....but you have more money because you are paying less at the pump. You have just created a "hedge" for the "little guy".Of course much more would go into a decision to purchase an individual stock(I will not bore you with the details...yet) but this is just to get you to think. Was this out of reach to you because you were "main street"? Nope. Dumb Luck? Please.

Ok, that example is getting way ahead of myself but I get so sick of the BS that is out there. The crap that it put out there is either an intent to keep the" little guy down" or it is just pure ignorance. It just depends how pessimistic you are.
So what should you be doing with the money you are about to save from cutting your spending? Here are three things that everyone should be looking at:
1.Pay down high interest debt. (credit cards the likely target)
2. If you employer offers a match on an employer plan such as 401k, (common is 50 cents on the dollar up to a certain level) think about contributing up to whatever the max is that they will match. Even if you are 100% risk averse there will be a "cash" option such as a money market. No, it will not offer much for interest currently but it is hard to beat getting an upfront 50 cents on the dollar.
3. Start an emergency cash fund


We will start addressing what you should do with saving above and beyond  those 3 in the future and the research you do on the taxes will affect your decisions in that area so do your homework! Warning, we will have to address the "life style spending cuts" first, so unpopular posts are ahead!







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Re: Money Management 101
« Reply #124 on: July 22, 2012, 10:43:34 AM »
Matt - Investors need a hedge against inflation. Yes, there is little inflation now, but it will come when we start getting unemployment falling. When inflation ramps up, yes, rates will rise, but the value of that cash will fall. So while you do 1) Pay down your credit cards, 2) invest in your own 401k or SEP, 3) have a fund for emergencies, 4) start adding a stash of silver or gold coins. As inflation rises, precious metals will rise in value as cash falls.

With no plan in sight on how to pay down the US Debt, all the Fed can do is print money and more money and more money and continue to devalue the money already in circulation.
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Re: Money Management 101
« Reply #125 on: July 22, 2012, 10:53:29 AM »
 The Federal government can't "print money," it can only borrow it.

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« Reply #126 on: July 22, 2012, 11:14:33 AM »
Matt - Investors need a hedge against inflation. Yes, there is little inflation now, but it will come when we start getting unemployment falling. When inflation ramps up, yes, rates will rise, but the value of that cash will fall. So while you do 1) Pay down your credit cards, 2) invest in your own 401k or SEP, 3) have a fund for emergencies, 4) start adding a stash of silver or gold coins. As inflation rises, precious metals will rise in value as cash falls.

With no plan in sight on how to pay down the US Debt, all the Fed can do is print money and more money and more money and continue to devalue the money already in circulation.

I somewhat agree with you but I tend to think that inflation is overstated. The effects of inflation can be  mitigated by better choices. Some things are out of our control but how about waiting on technology as an example? Saving a 1,000.00 on  a TV by waiting  goes a long way toward offsetting other inflated costs.

And, just for the hell of it,I am a bigger fan of silver than gold:)

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Re: Money Management 101
« Reply #127 on: July 22, 2012, 11:37:33 AM »
The Federal government can't "print money," it can only borrow it.

I think the best answer is that the  Federal Government wastes money. Actually, that is unfair.....please remove the word Federal.

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Re: Money Management 101
« Reply #128 on: July 22, 2012, 01:18:39 PM »
The Federal government can't "print money," it can only borrow it.

I think the best answer is that the  Federal Government wastes money. Actually, that is unfair.....please remove the word Federal.

thats kind of a bizarre claim.

Are you under the impression that private capital doesn't waste money?  Or that it delivers fair value for payment rendered at a higher rate than governments do?

In life (not just within the context of this thread) I'm fairly sick of these underlying assumptions.  They go unchallenged and unqualified, and entire ideologies are built on the rhetoric, rather than the substance of these ideas and claims.

To be accurate, our government (and any government presently on the face of the earth) does have both powers.  It can both 'print' and 'borrow' money.

While the paranoid fantasies of the 'fiat currency' assclowns are a bit overstated, there is an undeniable truth that money supply proportional to denominated debt has the power to create wealth by reducing the value of debt.

This is the idea the powers the whole overcomplicated mechanism of dueling interest rates on both banks, consumers and lenders. 

If you don't think those egregious penalty fees, additional charges and sliding interest rates on debt aren't the direct reaction to devalued debt ratios stemming directly from money supply manipulations, then you are sadly misinformed about the natures of our wealth modeling.

That said, it is also a fantasy that the government has either direct control or even the most powerful voice in the money and currency supply game.  It doesn't.

If it did, then it would have simply waved its magic interest rate wand over the economy in december 2008 and John McCain would have still lost the election, but not by such an embarrassing margin.

And I am not talking about the stupid Federal Reserve conspiracy ridiculousness either.

While the Federal Reserve is a private organization composed of the largest bankers----formed specifically to help control the ebb and flow of the money supply---it is not true that the Fed has exclusive control over the economy, nor was it conceived as the only 'printer' of currency in the united states.  It still does not have that distinction, incidentally.

More than half of our money supply was provided by the US Treasury, which printed competing bank notes right up until the Nixon Regime.  There still isn't any real prohibition that keeps the treasury department from issuing notes for general circulation independently of any action of the Reserve.  But at the time it was considered more profitable and less costly to allow the private Fed to handle notes which are passed around by the public.

The larger denominated currency notes, and other forms of currency such as treasury notes and bonds are still printed by the Treasury Department, as are many forms of privately printed bank currencies which are circulated amongst banks and bondholders.

Yes, the control over the so called 'money supply' is indirect.

devaluating currency is a way of alleviating debt, provided that the inflation rate is gradual rather than a body shock to the system.

But even though the mechanism isn't tangible, the government does print a form of retroactive wealth whenever it devalues the worth of the currency by expansion of money supply at a faster relative rate to the expansion of actual wealth to which it is allegedly tied.

This process, obviously has been accelerating as the US manufacturing base (upon which nixon originally pegged the derivative value of the currency after the abandonment of the gold standard) has fled the country and transferred over to the murky ownership of transnational corporations.  There is less and less manufacturing value to which currency can be pegged, at a time when debt ownership has exponentially increased---exacerbating the impetus for currency (and therefore debt) devaluation.

It has made the mechanism of control very quirky and jittery, which is one of the great underlying reasons we are where we are.

It was a mistake to peg the national economy to real estate value, in my opinion.

Especially when government policy and social programs from the New Deal changed the pace and basis of Real Estate valuation to become utterly dependent on transportation policy.

But we have been creating this situation for more than thirty years, and it will take something transformation to pull us back out of it un under another thirty years.
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Re: Money Management 101
« Reply #129 on: July 22, 2012, 01:27:42 PM »
and btw.  The system of bubble/panic/collapse that literally plagued and kept the United States a second world power only stabilized with the creation of the Federal Reserve.  It is true that there are still (obviously) systemic collapses under this system, but they do not happen every 7 years or so, the way that they did prior to the Reserve System.
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« Reply #130 on: July 22, 2012, 06:05:38 PM »
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"Are you under the impression that private capital doesn't waste money?  Or that it delivers fair value for payment rendered at a higher rate than governments do?"


No. Yes, but not always. I happen to kick ass in that department though. ;D


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« Reply #131 on: July 23, 2012, 10:17:10 AM »
I agree with your sentiment Matt. However, the Federal Reserve is printing more and more money to keep the value of our currency low. There is such anemic growth in the US Economy, they can afford to keep this going, when they raise the interest rates, we will be paying more for our own debt and paying that to the bondholders (china and other countries who own them, as well as US bondholders). The Debt crisis is coming, what some call the endgame, and many have written about it, we are seeing it in Spain with their debt at 7.5% and they teeter on insolvancy, if the ESM takes care of Spain, what about Italy or the next?

We have 50 states that bind together to come to resolve our problems, Europe has 17 different views and only 1 currency to keep everyone together, if Greece breaks out and goes back to the Drachma, who is next? Currency war begins and the world suffers with currency issues. Hence the need to have strong basis in Gold and Silver, which hold value when the paper money is in the toilet. When Inflation comes back, and it will, how will the Federal Reserve (Not FEDERAL GOVT), control the dollar? QE? We saw how well that worked with the Egyptian Summer, QE has worldwide affects, but then again, so does insolvency.
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« Reply #132 on: July 23, 2012, 05:09:24 PM »
I agree with your sentiment Matt. However, the Federal Reserve is printing more and more money to keep the value of our currency low.

Which apparently isn't working, since the dollar just hit a two-year high:

http://www.fxstreet.com/rates-charts/usdollar-index/

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« Reply #133 on: July 23, 2012, 07:27:59 PM »
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The USD Index measures the performance of the US Dollar against a basket of currencies: EUR, JPY, GBP, CAD, CHF and SEK.

Not sure if you noticed the currencies the chart uses in comparison. The Swiss frank is the only one which is strong, and is being weakened by huge influx of euros purchased by the SNB.

Now take those same dollars to the grocery store and compare their purchasing power to what it was a few short years ago.... heck, one year ago.

Most currencies are losing real value.

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« Reply #134 on: July 24, 2012, 12:32:21 AM »
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Which apparently isn't working, since the dollar just hit a two-year high:

Compared to other paper money, of course, with Europe in shambles, the Euro on the brink of a collapse, with China and India showing signs of recession, the knuckleheads around the world think the US has a plan, which we don't, as we will see by the end of the year, and watch gold/silver shoot through the roof.

If you bet your future on the value of paper money, you have already lost.
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