Author Topic: Orlando's Wekiva Parkway: Outer Beltway's cousin won't make money either!  (Read 6782 times)

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Re: Orlando's Wekiva Parkway: Outer Beltway's cousin won't make money either!
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2011, 04:01:40 PM »
It's pretty funny looking at that map for anyone who spent time on SR 60, US 17 and US 27.  Significant stretches of these rural highways are still two lane roads.  However, people out there believe that to accommodate population growth and congestion that doesn't exist, that we must spend billions carving up the entire state with new expressways that will never pay for themselves.  Completely insane.

Btw, this stuff keeps coming back like a bad rash.  I remember in the early 1990s, there was a push to build the East/West Expressway between the Polk Parkway (which was still on paper then) and Lake Wales.  That thing died but now its basically back as the Central Polk Parkway, which would also be the northern leg of the Heartland Parkway.

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Re: Orlando's Wekiva Parkway: Outer Beltway's cousin won't make money either!
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2011, 08:01:26 PM »

Wekiva sure made the conservation community,citizens jump through hoops.
Such procedures always commence with a sense of confidence.

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Re: Orlando's Wekiva Parkway: Outer Beltway's cousin won't make money either!
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2011, 10:35:29 PM »



California 198 Freeway WITH traffic lights... Hello Florida?

It's really easy to ascertain the dire need for this super slab by looking at the density from the air. Actually Lake, a east-west proposal from West Palm - Sebring - Bartow - Tampa, built as a multimodal road/rail could easily supplant the stupid HSR proposal that bit the dust under Scott. As far as the north - south route from roughly Haines City to Ft. Myers? The crazy part is these roads are already there and upgrades could easily be done with constructive widening, using 'expressway construction' only where they would need to bypass towns, or for major interchanges. The State of California has several freeways in the San Joaquin Valley with stop lights on them.

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Re: Orlando's Wekiva Parkway: Outer Beltway's cousin won't make money either!
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2011, 02:42:59 PM »

It's all about "Growth"

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Re: Orlando's Wekiva Parkway: Outer Beltway's cousin won't make money either!
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2011, 01:32:02 PM »
"...Deal Reached..." per Orlando Sentinel. 

What's that?  About $70 million per mile? 


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/os-expressway-board-snyder-20111114,0,716459.story

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Re: Orlando's Wekiva Parkway: Outer Beltway's cousin won't make money either!
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2011, 04:30:15 PM »
$1.8 Billion for more of this...





























Sounds great!

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Re: Orlando's Wekiva Parkway: Outer Beltway's cousin won't make money either!
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2011, 04:44:49 PM »
All I see in your photos is jobs, freedom and more money making opportunities. What's your problem with job creation, Lunican? ;)
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Re: Orlando's Wekiva Parkway: Outer Beltway's cousin won't make money either!
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2011, 05:25:32 PM »
Think of all the tow trucks, fire fighters, police, lawyers, medical bills, car repair, and cleanup crews... It's utopia.

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Re: Orlando's Wekiva Parkway: Outer Beltway's cousin won't make money either!
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2011, 10:55:41 PM »
hey...jobs are jobs...no need to parse this further!

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Re: Orlando's Wekiva Parkway: Outer Beltway's cousin won't make money either!
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2011, 11:15:24 PM »
Did anyone catch this in the article?  The State already admits this roadway will be in the red for the majority of our lifetimes....

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A breakthrough came during the weekend, when Snyder and Florida Department of Transportation officials decided the Orlando agency would build and own about six miles in Orange and a short stretch in Lake, while the state would be responsible for the remaining 18 to 19 miles.

Key to the arrangement was the authority agreeing to pay nearly $230 million it owes FDOT during the next 12 years. FDOT had been loaning the authority between $8 million and $10 million annually during the past quarter-century for operating and maintaining some tollbooths and portions of toll roads owned by the state.

"It's a very favorable agreement. It will be tweaked a bit," said expressway Chairman Walter Ketcham.

FDOT Secretary Ananth Prasad said getting the authority to write a check for as much as $20 million annually through 2024 would allow the state to pay off the bonds it would sell to pay for the road, which is unlikely to attract enough traffic to pay for itself for three decades or more.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/os-expressway-board-snyder-20111114,0,716459.story

Wow. Considering a chunk of this project penetrates environmentally sensitive land, they won't even get the ad valorum tax  revenue generating sprawl development that follows massive highway construction.  What happened to being fiscally conservative with people's tax dollars?
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Re: Orlando's Wekiva Parkway: Outer Beltway's cousin won't make money either!
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2011, 03:45:34 PM »

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Re: Orlando's Wekiva Parkway: Outer Beltway's cousin won't make money either!
« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2011, 03:59:15 PM »
This says it all:  He’s a real estate developer occupying a public office that gives him enormous power to shape the built environment.
In his public life, Holmes is a well-known pillar of the Texas conservative establishment.

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http://www.wekivaparkway.com/alerts.php?d=107&p=1#

APOPKA - After a brief ribbon cutting noting the long journey to develop this groundbreaking project, the Central Florida Expressway Authority on July 27 opened it's first five miles of the Wekiva Parkway. CFX began opening the lanes from the State Road 429 Connector Road to Kelly Park Road at 3 p.m., with all lanes open by 3:30 p.m.
 
Toll collection will begin on these sections at 5 a.m. on Friday, July 28, 2017. Some work will be ongoing to finish these sections, with lane closures and other traffic impacts continuing to be needed. Stay tuned here and follow the project on Facebook and Twitter for real-time updates.