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Author Topic: Seriously? Glorious Johnson To Endorse Mike Hogan for Mayor.  (Read 5334 times)

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Re: Seriously? Glorious Johnson To Endorse Mike Hogan for Mayor.
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2011, 02:17:04 PM »

Well, Im not disappointed in Glorious, because I always expect to be surprised by her.  And I have a real affection both for her and for contrarians in general. 

Stephen, you don't fail to surprise either.   :D   "...a real affection for... contrarians?  Does that refer to those who go against the MJ grain of supporting the Skyway?   ;D  It's nice to know you love those of us who are "contrarians" to you after all!
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« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2011, 02:19:47 PM »

Well, Im not disappointed in Glorious, because I always expect to be surprised by her.  And I have a real affection both for her and for contrarians in general. 

Stephen, you don't fail to surprise either.   :D   "...a real affection for... contrarians?  Does that refer to those who go against the MJ grain of supporting the Skyway?   ;D  It's nice to know you love those of us who are "contrarians" to you after all!

Well obviously, STJR.  I have great affection for you as well.
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Re: Seriously? Glorious Johnson To Endorse Mike Hogan for Mayor.
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2011, 03:27:35 PM »
i understand glorious has decided to hold back on endorsing mike hogan. i am glad to hear that. nothing personal towards mike but if he had to re think his position on keeping the jacksonville ethics commission, ithen this was never an important part of his platform.  i think very highly of glorious and grateful for what she did to enhance the ethics commission. the ethics commission should not  even be a point of debate. it should be rock solid and made a part of the charter to protect it. it took a long time to develop it and pass it. there is nothing here to "rethink". my prayers are with you glorious. matt carlucci     

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Re: Seriously? Glorious Johnson To Endorse Mike Hogan for Mayor.
« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2011, 01:57:19 PM »
Doesn't look like the position changed much..

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All except Hogan said they support maintaining the Jacksonville human rights commission. Hogan said with the state and federal Human Rights Commissions in effect, a local body is redundant and could save $970,000 a years. He said he would support a volunteer commission.


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Re: Seriously? Glorious Johnson To Endorse Mike Hogan for Mayor.
« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2011, 08:37:21 PM »
Glorious, if you are out there take my advice. Do not endorse mike hogan.  Stay true to your commitment to the ethics commission. Audrey has a commitment to an independent ethics commission. She has not had to think about it or "reconsider" her position on this. It's who she is and what she truly believes. Its a part of her values. Matt carlucci

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« Reply #50 on: March 02, 2011, 08:38:14 PM »
i understand glorious has decided to hold back on endorsing mike hogan. i am glad to hear that. nothing personal towards mike but if he had to re think his position on keeping the jacksonville ethics commission, ithen this was never an important part of his platform.  i think very highly of glorious and grateful for what she did to enhance the ethics commission. the ethics commission should not  even be a point of debate. it should be rock solid and made a part of the charter to protect it. it took a long time to develop it and pass it. there is nothing here to "rethink". my prayers are with you glorious. matt carlucci    

+1,000,000 Matt..  Glorious is a wonderful person IMO. She supported my personal cause of the Cleanup effort at Public School #4, and I will always love and respect her, no matter what.  I also believe she has done much good , and has always had the interests of the people. My thoughts and prayers continue for her/ her family.
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Re: Seriously? Glorious Johnson To Endorse Mike Hogan for Mayor.
« Reply #51 on: March 03, 2011, 01:21:51 PM »
Timkin, your remarks are very kind and I shared them with Glorious last night.   Matt, I have spoken with Councilwoman Johnson and suggested that she not give any endorsements prior to the March 22ND date.  This does not mean she will not later in the game, she just is not going to do so at this point.

Now with regard to the Ethics issue.  I had a private meeting with Mike Hogan this past Monday because I had several questions and concerns that I wanted to discuss with him.  I found Mike to be open, gentle and willing to reply to every query I had.  I also saw first hand why so many people hold him in high esteem.  He is a kind person who is polite and was very attentive to everything I had to say, looking me straight in the eye with every answer.  He is a true southerner who speaks slowly and to the point.  I now understand why people who oppose him have been so quick to cast the judgement that he is not quick on his feet.  He is not a trained debater like those who have made a life in the law field, but weighs an issue, mulls it over, applies some common horse sense and then responds.  This may put him at a disadvantage in open debates, but it should not imply he is not seriously considering the issues.  I have found out that he clearly does.

Here is what he had to say about the issue of Ethics.  First he pointed out that you Matt had worked very hard to see the issue of Ethics and local reform brought into city discussions a long time ago and he praised your efforts.  Secondly I learned that when Mike Hogan was a Florida State Representative in 2002-2003
he was the chair of State Ethics & Elections as well as being Vice Chair of Transportation & Economic Development Appropriations, Business Regulation, State Administration and Energy.  Hogan is clearly a person to whom Ethics is important and his record shows his involvement.  What I am realizing is that people may have been reading certain things into Hogans initial campaign statements and reacting to them depending upon what they thought he meant.  I think this happens to all candidates especially in the eyes of those who are supporting someone other than himself.  I discussed with Mike at length the legislation that Councilwoman Glorious Johnson had gotten passed as well as the hard work of the Ethics Commission and Carla Miller.  We discovered that his thoughts on the issue were right in line with what was already happening.  He does not want to disban the Ethics Commission and as mayor wants to work to insure that the folks who sit on that commission are independent and fair minded.  Secondly, he feels that the position of Ethics Officer can be funded in another manner (which he explained in detail) and that he wanted Ms. Millers office have the latitude to operate independently of City Officials and speculated that the position would be best served by being made a part of the IG's office.  He also noted that Ethics would now be in the charter where it belonged.   He will be speaking directly to Carla Miller regarding everything ethics in the near future.

In short I am not trying to suggest whom anyone should vote for, but I will say this.  I believe Mr. Hogan has been truly misrepresented in many ways and vilified in others.   One thing he is firm about is that he will not personally attack or speak ill of the other candidates, nor does he allow that in the campaign itself.  No one of course can control what everyone says but he was clear that this should be about the issues and record, not the personalities.  I completely agree with that and would hope that everyone takes the time to learn more about the man before making assumptions about who he is.  I will share more of the conversation later if everyone would like.  And for the record, I am not being paid by Hogan or any other candidate and of all the folks on the ballot, the two I find most honest and capable are Moran and Hogan.

Matt, you correctly point out that Audrey Moran lives ethics and I truly agree, but I also have found out that Hogan himself lives by strong ethical standards of behavior and will politely disagree with you regarding your statement that anyone should revisit their position on any issue.  I think any one who holds the office of Mayor should be willing to revisit any issue and reconsider if their position is the right one.  Inflexibility is a no go in my book.
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Re: Seriously? Glorious Johnson To Endorse Mike Hogan for Mayor.
« Reply #52 on: March 03, 2011, 04:25:29 PM »
Diane,  Didn't Hogan state publicly that he thought a local Ethics Office was redundant because there was a State level ethics office?  Doesn't he want to de-fund the local ethics office?  Isn't an ethics office under the IG's office not independent?
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« Reply #53 on: March 03, 2011, 04:28:41 PM »
Good points.  And how does moving the now independent Ethics Office under the IG save tax money?  Those functions are separate and distinct enough that you'd still need to employ the Ethics Officer and some staff.  It sounds like smoke and mirrors to me.

Hogan has also promised to eliminate the Human Rights Commission.  In a city like Jacksonville, where opportunity is still lacking for many and others can't seem to get basic protection, our Human Rights Commission is an essential government service.  It will be some time before we can do without either the Human Rights Commission (and staff) or the Ethics Commission (and staff).

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« Reply #54 on: March 03, 2011, 04:49:51 PM »
Timkin, your remarks are very kind and I shared them with Glorious last night.

Diane, .. You and Glorious know that I have the highest regard for both of you.  I regret that she is leaving Council but certainly respect her attention to her family first. When my Parents fell ill and I lost both within a year ,Caring for them and time with them was first, and pretty much everything  else went on the back burner, and to me nothing else mattered significantly during that time. Today I can look back to that time with no regret. Glorious is doing the right thing , and I sincerely wish there was something I could do to help her.

In fairness to whoever becomes the next Mayor .... A huge mess on their hands, IMO would be an understatement.  It is my hope that whoever does take the position will fulfill it with honor and dignity.  No one Mayor can undo YEARS of mismanagement, misguided decisions, etc.  But it would only be my hope that the next Mayor, gave it everything they have, and if they ONLY did that, and nothing else , they would truly succeed where the last 8 years IMO, MISERABLY failed.

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« Reply #55 on: March 03, 2011, 04:54:28 PM »
I cannot speak on behalf of the Hogan campaign but just share what he told me.  He has no intention of disbanning the Ethics commission, is glad ethics will now be in the charter and has indicated to me that he wants to put the Ethics officer in a position to be free of political pressures from any person or group.  The placement in IG, was just one thought he share and there is apparently another way to fund the position.  I don't know the particulars.

I also asked Mike about the Human Rights Commission and we discussed it at some length.  What he is trying to do is avoid duplication of services.  Right now there is a Federal, State and Local office of Human Rights.  I talked to him about the fact that the Commission itself is volunteer and there would be no reason to disban that.  He agreed.  Then I suggested that whatever he decided to do about the Human Rights personalities that were paid by the City, if I were him I would make sure that there was a mechanism through which the Jacksonville Human Rights Commission could readily and easily serve the concerns of constituents and have their concerns dealt with efficiently. That was the extent of that conversation.  Again, I am sharing my view of what was said.  I am also seeing if we cannot work out a date that Mike can do the online question answer thing that other candidates have done on this site.  I think each candidate should be heard and everyone decide based upon their own views and opinions who will get their vote.  
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« Reply #56 on: March 03, 2011, 04:59:15 PM »
Sweet Timkin, Glorious is not leaving her council post.  She is termed out and will have served her full eight years in June.  Her mothers illness was the reason she dropped out of the race for Mayor and that was a wise decision.  As you have stated, being a sole caretaker along with other work responsibilities is a very heavy burden.  Her mother comes first as do all of our families in our own lives.  :)

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« Reply #57 on: March 03, 2011, 05:05:44 PM »
Totally concur.. I do not always put into the correct words what I mean. I knew she served to term. SHE is one council member I personally would see ,remain , even though I did state I would want to see a total change of Council, Glorious would be an exception. She is an amazing lady. 

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Re: Seriously? Glorious Johnson To Endorse Mike Hogan for Mayor.
« Reply #58 on: March 03, 2011, 05:12:15 PM »
This guy has shot himself in the foot by saying things that were so inappropriate, at best. How can anyone, even in jest, say that they'd support or would like to bomb anything...and of course, we know he said an abortion clinic. Then of course, there's the is he or isn't he going to trash the ethics or the human rights commission...oh, and the failure to show...it all just adds up to someone I cannot support. Since the HRC is voluntary, why is it even up for discussion, if there weren't some truth behind the wanting to can it? And who cares if there's duplication of services, it's volunteers...again, why is it even an issue with him? Then there's the issue of city owned land..and selling....oh yeah, I forgot, it's all been miss-stated, right? So just what the hell is anyone supposed to believe of Hogan...


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Re: Seriously? Glorious Johnson To Endorse Mike Hogan for Mayor.
« Reply #59 on: March 03, 2011, 05:16:53 PM »
Right on the money.  What is anyone supposed to believe?  On one hand he pledges to eliminate all these good government programs.  And now he's rethinking it.  On the other hand, he promises to sell off park land because "everything's on the table when it comes to the budget."  But I thought there was a no-new-taxes pledge?  Except that he might be okay with an increase.  He's all over the page.  Which is the ONLY credible explanation to how the same person could get the endorsement of both the Tea Party and the public service unions they hate so much.  He's all over the map and no one knows who the real Mike Hogan is.  And he'd like to keep it that way, therefore cancel debate and media appearances left, right, and center. 
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