| Life Without Parking Meters: Savannah |
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Another city is discovering how an urban retail district can come back to life with user friendly on-street parking. Why not Jacksonville? The Purpose of Parking Meters I have had several discussions with various "powers that be" within the City about The Downtown Action Plan Committee's proposal to extend the parking meter time downtown to 3 hours. Without exception those that I have talked to are adamantly against it, and have said that in meetings they have had with others about the subject they were also strongly oppossed. I have been told that, if asked they would all advise the Mayor against this idea but that there is no assurance they will be asked for their opinion. The decision would be administrative and would not require any action from City Council. What I have been told is that they are counting on opposition from the private sector to keep it from happening, but that none of them could stand up and state what a bad idea it is. Here's the problem as I see it. The only people (public) that will probably come out against it are those that understand the dynamics of parking and how those dynamics impact everything else. If you look at the makeup of the committee (Jim Bailey, President of Bailey Publishing & Communications and Downtown Design Review Committee member; Kevin Connor, member of downtown advocate group Metro-Jacksonville; Ennis Davis, member of downtown advocate group Metro-Jacksonville; Chris Flagg, Landscape Architect & President of Flagg Designs and Downtown Design Review Committee member; Tri Vu, President of TTV Architect and Building Codes Adjustment Board member; Steven Dare, owner of downtown restaurant Boomtown Theatre & Coffee Salon; Anna Dooley, Executive Director of Greenscape; Suzanne Jenkins, City Council Member - District 4; Ron Barton, Exec. Director of the Jacksonville Economic Development Commission; John Culbreth, Director of the Dept. of Parks, Recreation, Entertainment & Conservation; Alan Mosley, Chief Operating Officer; Mike Saylor, Director of the Dept. of Planning & Development) there is not a single "Parking" person listed. However, there are a lot of people that would definitley NOT appreciate having one of their ideas being "dissed". Those I have talked to all understand that fact and as such aren't going to rock the boat even though they know the proposal is bad (the committee unanimously approved the idea). I could easily list out dozens and dozens of reasons for why this is a bad idea and provide back-up data and case studies to validate my position, but at the end of the day that isn't what is going to be needed. We need to somehow give all of those listed above a graceful "out" or else this thing will keep moving forward. While I hate to suggest it, the only thing I can think of is for the Mayor (or Suzanne) to appoint a volunteer task force (no more than 5 or 6 people) to put together a white paper listing the pros and cons of the idea, along with alternatives. We could probably do it in about 4 hours (I already have it), but there should be about a 30-45 day timeline associated with the project. I'm not going to bore you with parking statistics (at least not this early in the morning), but trust me when I say that making all of the meters 3 hours will not only have a disasterous impact on every existing garage and lot in downtown, it also has the potential to kill the retail business at Hemming plaza and any potential of that on Bay St. The basic premise behind an on-street program is that meters are used to create turn over, the more turn over the more potential customers. There are numerous examples and case studies showing that increasing meter charges and strictly enforcing time limits actually helped retail in the area. Various estimates put the value of short term on-street parking spaces at anywhere from $40 to $400 a day in sales to retail businesses on the same block as those spaces; Downtown Research and Development Centre @ $150-$300 (national average); National Main Street Program @ $40 (Downtown Valdosta, Ga.); Aspinwall COC @ $400; Dr. Lee Koppelman, LI Regional Planning Board @ $400 (Long Island, NY); John D. Edwards, PE @ $100. Right now the meters have a limit of 1 to 2 hours, which gives you the potential of anywhere from 4 to 8 customers in an 8 hour day, if you go to 3 hours you have reduced that number to 2.5 customers per day. The goal of any well designed on-street meter operation is to have the time limits and rates set to the level where you achieve an occupancy rate of 80-85%, thereby assuring that customers know they will always have a fair chance of finding a metered space fairly close to the store. Since the avg amount of time spent on retail shopping (urban) or in a restaurant is less than 2 hours the parking spaces will tend to turn over pretty regularly. If the time limits are extended to the point where employees or those attending meetings become the main user base for the meters then the potential customers will discontinue coming to that area because they know there is very little chance that they will find a space. There have actually been doctoral thesis' and books written on this subject. If you support NOT increasing the time limits please respond to this email and I will include your name as being against the proposal when I send an outline of our position and recommendation to the City. If you are in favor of the increase in time limits, then I guess we just disagree. Thanks Mark Rimmer
Reality: With this line of thinking, business owners at the St. Johns Town Center should be falling over themselves to install parking meters. For some reason this is not happening. However, only two hours away, an urban business district is booming, partially because of free two hour on-street parking along its main commercial corridor.
Why does Jacksonville have meters instead of simple time limits? While time zones are used similarly to meters, in as much as they’re there to create turnover, they can be more cumbersome to enforce. The meters are also more recognizable to the public, being located at each space, where as the signs are generally located at either ends of the street. My fear with the time zones is we’d encounter more unsuspecting violators, which wouldn’t bode well for us in terms of customer service. -Robert A. Carle, Division Chief
Savannah's Broughton Street Since 2000, more than one hundred 50 million dollars of private and public investment has occurred on Broughton Street. http://wjclnews.blogspot.com/2007/09/broughton-street-improvements.html
Broughton Street is the only street in Downtown Savannah to offer free on-street parking. Maybe it's just coincidence that retailers have begun to flock back to the historic district's original commercial corridor. Or better yet, there's a direct positive correlation when potential customers aren't charged to visit a certain section of the core. "In general, a lot of people are now associating Broughton Street with a retail district where as in the past it was real spotty," says Liz Demos. Savannah is among a growing list of cities that have realized that a downtown retail district can benefit without the use of on-street parking meters. With the JEDC implementing a Downtown Development Plan that focuses on public infrastructure, this may be a good time to consider the elimination of parking meters on certain streets as an incentive to stimulate retail growth during an economic downturn. Article written by Ennis Davis |

June 4, 2008, 11:33 am
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Well so much for the exploded g*&#damm theories of Parking Mogul, Mark Rimmer.
It sickens my stomach to think of how many of these lectures we listened to about the end of civilization as we know it if we removed these defenders of the Western Democracies.
It was all pish posh. And DVI's totally blind insistence that they were necessary still makes my blood boil.
And look at Savannah.
Its got the population of a Publix on the southside and it's downtown rocks.
PULL THE DAMNED THINGS OUT OF THE STREET!
June 4, 2008, 11:44 am
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Im not sure what part of savannah this article is written about, but I most deffinatly had to put money in the meter when I took my wife there for a little weekend getaway. We had to find a place to park, put money in the 2 hour meter, walk around a little, come back put more money in the meter, go eat a Paula Deans place, go back, put more money in the meter, it was VERY aggravating.
June 4, 2008, 12:15 pm
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I think 3 hours probably is too long, the meters themselves are the problem. Timed but meter-less spaces are the best solution. Easy to do too. Just place a bag over them and see how it goes. Lots of publicity beforehand to make sure people understand the change though. If it results in problems, just remove the bags. At least you will know if it will work or not.
June 4, 2008, 1:19 pm
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Free two hour parking is only allowed on Broughton Street, the historic district's main retail corridor. All of the other streets have smart meters. There's also a couple of small free three hour parking zones along the Riverfront.
Also, if you like to walk, park your car near Forsyth Park, on the south of downtown. those streets don't have meters either.
June 4, 2008, 3:33 pm
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they just all need to go.
June 4, 2008, 7:47 pm
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Having just relocated from downtown savannah, lived there only a year, I'm just not sure how much the lack of parking meters has contributed to the revitalization of Broughton street. I suspect there is a lot, much more signifcant factors causing the upswing. Savannah is filled with parking meters on all north south roads west of broughton. Oglethorpe, and Liberty the next two major N/S streets are lined with parking meters from MLK out to Price st. During the day there isn't hardly an empty parking spot. Plus all the east/west streets leading to bay street are lined with parking meters from liberty to I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, all the way to bay. All these streets are very vibrant, lots of businesses, cafes, clubs you name it teaming with pedestrian traffic. Of course the city has the good sense to ensure that you don't have to pay before 8 and after 5, parking is free. I think Savannah has more meter maids than cops. The meters are of all types from the ancient quaters to state of the art ones. Not necesarily saying parking meters are a good idea, but I think this article may oversell the results of removing them.
June 4, 2008, 9:16 pm
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The major difference between Broughton and all the other streets is that Broughton (other than River Street) is the only one lined with a continuous string of retail spaces for several blocks. All of the other streets tend to be more mixed use with offices, corner retail, residential and religious uses.
I'll have to dig up my old images of Savannah, dating back to the mid 1990's. Back during my college days (late 90s) Broughton was littered with vacant retail spaces. While it may be difficult to notice a change within a year or two, looking back over the course of 7, 8, 9 or 10 years and the change is huge.
As for the article, we've been told that having parking meters helps downtown retail. However, reality is showing that more and more cities are bringing meter free streets back to their cores as a part of an effort to make them more user friendly.
June 4, 2008, 9:46 pm
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Well I think Bay street is certainly lined with retail spaces, in fact there are photos of that on this site. I know Bull streeet is lined with shops and stores. Not sure what the problem would be with mixed use., would think that would be a very good idea. I know Oglethorpe and Liberty are lined with both commercial( mellow mushroom anyone) and residdential and misc buisnesse, certainly not unique. Mixed development I would think is what we would want, a place to live, eat and be entertained. As far as Broughton being the only street lined with a continuous string of retail space, I think bay, oglethorpe and Liberty woud disagree. The mix may be different but the streets are lively and active
June 4, 2008, 10:04 pm
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Bay is dominated by hotels to the south (with a few restaurants/bars slipped in), mostly park space/parking to the north and no on-street parking, although the city has done a great job with some of the newer garages, just south of Bay. Bull has retail, but not at the density of Broughton. After all, Broughton was Savannah's main retail strip before sprawl took over Abercorn.
There's no problem with a mix of uses. However, having the option of free parking along your most dense retail strip certainly doesn't hurt, which has been suggested by the local parking guys here on several occassions. While free parking is not the end all solution, it is an element that makes retail more viable.
here's an image of Mellow Mushroom I snapped last year. The rest of the block is not littered with the amount of retail that Broughton (below) contains.
Of course they are. However, having free parking in front of the city's densest commercial strip is more beneficial for the small businesses there, as opposed to hotels on Bay or the lower density mix of uses on Oglethorpe or Liberty. Nevertheless, no one is claiming that Broughton is the only vibrant street in Savannah.
June 4, 2008, 10:04 pm
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I apologize I missed this part of your response "As for the article, we've been told that having parking meters helps downtown retail. However, reality is showing that more and more cities are bringing meter free streets back to their cores as a part of an effort to make them more user friendly." I missed this part of your response. I guess my point is that the whole parking meter issue is a red herring, Parking meters don't deteremine your destination. Savannah is a GREAT response to that If you want to eliminate them in the core city, fine and dandy, but make sure that you have something that someone wants to visit in response. Savannah, is as dicy as any city when you get a few block off the main drag. Number oen rule, keep your head on a 360 swivel in the parks after dark. As bad as downtown is if you eliminated the parkin meters it wouldn't certainly change a whole lot. If you want to visit savannah they will pay the meter. The tragic situation is that no one wants to be downtown in jax, Don't trash me I remeber going to sears downtown, Yeah I know thats considered a bad moment, but the fact is the politicians did there best and thought that woud help salvage downtwon, and later spent my fair share in the silver dollar saloon
June 4, 2008, 10:10 pm
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"Of course they are. However, having free parking in front of the city's densest commercial strip is more beneficial for the small businesses there, as opposed to hotels on Bay or the lower density mix of uses on Oglethorpe or Liberty. Nevertheless, no one is claiming that Broughton is the only vibrant street in Savannah."
My apoloigies but this article read as though an amazing breakthrough was made on Broughten by just eliminating the parking meters. No other comments were made concerning previous owenrs possibly restrictiing redevelopment or even the citys zoning. My point is the article painted the redeveopment as a result of the removal of parking meters.
June 4, 2008, 10:15 pm
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I think Downtown Jax has all the potential in the world if some little inexpensive things are done to let the free market take over. These would include:
1. Better Lighting
2. Wayfaring signage (both pedestrian and vehicular)
3. Conversion of some less traveled streets into two-way
4. Strict Building Code Enforcement
5. City of Jacksonville, stops playing developer, sitting on property and sells excess land
6. Installation of public parking garage signage
7. More investment in improving spaces like Hemming Plaza and Springfield Parks
8. Enforcement of Downtown Master Plan (especially in regards to building layout and design).
9. Removal of meters on retail dominated streets or installation of smart meters.
10. Making it tougher to demolish historic building stock.
Things won't change overnight, but efforts such as this would create a better environment for small businesses to strive.
June 4, 2008, 10:19 pm
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Sorry about that. Broughton Street's revitalization has definately not happened overnight and free parking alone will not pull people into a downtown core. However, for Jacksonville's sake, we are now seeing proof that free parking has more of a positive effect on urban retail than a negative. Greenville, SC's Main Street and Raleight's Fayetteville Street are also two other good examples that not dealing with meters can be beneficial in creating a vibrant atmosphere.
June 4, 2008, 10:26 pm
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Then you need to say that, If you read the headline and the article, you'd think that just because the parking meters were remove that broughton flourishe, thats unfair to the readers.
June 4, 2008, 10:37 pm
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I think its fine, if the readers read through the entire article. The story is not so much about Savannah as it is about defeating the idea that not having meters is a negative for downtown businesses. Savannah's Broughton Street could have easily been replaced with Greenville's Main Street and the point of the article would have still been made. Any potential misconception about the title and headline is easily eliminated by reading the entire article, especially the letter by our local parking guru stating the reason for meters and then seeing the Broughton Street images showing the exact opposite.
June 4, 2008, 10:45 pm
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Hmmm how shall I say this nicely (I do mean nicely), utter rubbish. The article that was written and published certainly implied that the reason that Broughton street prospered was because the parking meters were eliminated. Maybe I'm wrong wont be the first time, but I'd like to hear others opinions
June 4, 2008, 10:51 pm
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That's cool, every one is entitled to their opinions. I stand by mine that free parking has played a major role in retail returning to Broughton and that Jacksonville would stand to benefit from following suit.
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