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Friday, 18 April 2008

Can Jacksonville learn something from the Rust Belt's Glass City: Toledo, OH?

Statistics:

Toledo Population 2006: 298,446 (City); 653,695 (Metro) - (incorporated in 1833)

Jacksonville Pop. 2006: 790,689 (City); 1,277,997 (Metro) - (incorporated in 1832)

City population 1950: Jacksonville (204,517); Toledo (303,616)

 

 Brief History:

Toledo is known as the Glass City because of its history of innovation in all aspects of the glass industry.  Owens-Illinois, Owens Corning, Libbey Glass, Pikington North America and Therma-Tru are all major companies in the industry headquartered in the Toledo region.

However, something went horribly wrong during the 1970's and the city has yet to figure it out.  Since 1970, Toledo has seen its population decrease by 85,372 residents.  Like many rust belt cities, the back bone of its economy, manufacturing, has continued to decline, trickling down to significant population loss and blight within the city limits.  In an effort to turn things around, the city has announced plans to cover the 81 square miles of the city with Wi-Fi internet access for government, business, and personal use.  If successful, this privately financed plan will create the nation's sixth largest Wi-Fi network.

 

The Warehouse District

Fifth Third Field opened in 2002, as the home of the Toledo Mud Hens, in the heart of downtown's blighted Warehouse District.  Established in 1896, the Mud Hens are one of minor league baseball's oldest teams.  While the ballpark isn't anything special, its placement near a large amount of abandoned buildings has led to the Warehouse District coming back alive as a nightlife and dining district, with the Stadium as an anchor.

 





 

 

 

The Downtown Core

Toledo's Central Business District is situated on Maumee River.  While recent improvements are noticeable, the district and city are in the midst of a struggle to overcome a 9.3 percent unemployment rate.  

 

The 432' One SeaGate is the tallest building in the city (glass tower on right).  Presently the Northwest Ohio headquarters for the Fifth Third Bank, it is the former world headquarters for Owens-Illinois.



 


 

 Toledo's SeaGate Convention Centre is similar in size to Jacksonville's Prime Osborn Convention center.  However, it is located in the heart of the downtown core, across the street from the new minor league ballpark and the arena now under construction.

 





 

 COSI (Center of Science and Industry) Toledo opened in 1997, replacing what had been the failed Portside Festival Marketplace, a Rouse center similar to the Jacksonville Landing.  The museum attracts an average of 250,000 visitors per year to downtown Toledo.



 



With the success of Fifth Third Field on the surrounding environment, the city is moving forward with the Toledo Downtown Arena.  The $105 million, 10,000 seat multi-purpose arena will become the new home of the Toledo Walleye hockey team and perhaps an NBA Developmental League team.  A two block area of buildings were razed for this project.

 

What can Jacksonville Learn from Toledo?

 Despite Toledo's economic struggles, some success in stimulating the redevelopment of the warehouse district has occurred as a result of the placement of Fifth Third Field into an area with a rich amount of existing building fabric still in place.  Locally, we missed the chance to take advantage of this opportunity with our municipal stadium, arena, and ballpark in the Sports District (see image above).



With the county courthouse project appearing to move forward once again, we have the opportunity to correct our urban integration mistakes of the past by designing the county courthouse in a manner that interacts with its built surroundings on all sides, thus reducing the opportunity of creating additional dead pedestrian zones within the downtown core.

 
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jeh1980
April 18, 2008, 5:08 am
Re: Learning from Toledo, OH

Learning from Toledo, OH



Can Jacksonville learn something from the Rust Belt's Glass City: Toledo, OH?

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http://www.metrojacksonville.com/content/view/743
Sure they can! We all due respect, but I'm so sick and tired of having to hear about our downtown missing opportunities. And for what? Huh I admit that we had some things that keep us back, but let's not forget some of the opportunities that we didn't miss that gave downtown our advantage. I like to see proof that Jacksonville DOES have some urban connectivity! Keep the faith!
fsujax
April 18, 2008, 8:09 am
Re: Learning from Toledo, OH

What a dreary looking place.  I wouldnt want to live there. Looking at those pics made me think our Downtown isn't that bad.
Charleston native
April 18, 2008, 8:49 am
Re: Learning from Toledo, OH

Indeed, fsujax. From the pictures, it seems that Toledo's pedestrian activity is almost non-existent, and Jax surely has more of it from pictures I've seen and during my visits. Trust me, Jax's downtown is pretty good in comparison to MANY other cities.

Toledo is also in northern Ohio, and those pics look like they were shot around Christmas time (there's a Christmas colored candle light display on one of the photos). During that time of year, it is dreary in that section of the country.
gwole19
April 18, 2008, 9:21 am
Re: Learning from Toledo, OH

I actually moved down here from Toledo last August. The only thing Jax could learn from it is how to support minor league teams and being able to drive anywhere in town within 20 minutes.  I worked in the Warehouse District, and my former law firm was one of the first businesses to move there (we were in one of the buildings directly across from right field of 5/3 Park). That area is pretty fun, but pedestrian activity is minimal expect during games or on the weekends. The new arena should be very nice. My only complaint with it was it further messed up the grid street system in downtown. I have been in and still have close friends that live in the lofts pictured (and a few that weren't). They are actually very nice, but suffer from limited downtown activity. Toledo is another town that doesn't take advantage of a downtown riverfront. They have been trying for years to do a riverwalk like San Antonio, but haven't gotten any traction. There is a new riverfront development on the eastside of the river that was factories and is being changed to a marina, market rate townhouses, stores, and other mixed uses. Obviously, the economy in that area is stalling development. I never thought of the area as dreary until we moved here. I was unaware the sun actually came out from behind clouds beyond the months of June and July...
thelakelander
April 18, 2008, 9:58 am
Re: Learning from Toledo, OH

The images were taking at 7am in the morning on a Saturday during a drive from Detroit to Indianapolis.  I've been traveling to Toledo roughly around once or twice a year, since 2000.  I also used to visit the city as a child during the 1980s when my dad worked for Owens Illinois.  The place is economically snake bitten and that area of the country does not get as much sun as we do.  Nevertheless, it was impressive to see the area around the new stadium having new signs of life, despite the city's economic struggles.  If proper urban design can have this effect on Toledo, it can half twice as much of a positive economic impact on Jacksonville.

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Sure they can! We all due respect, but I'm so sick and tired of having to hear about our downtown missing opportunities.

jeh1980, you might want to cover your eyes in the next week or so.  When I get back to town, I'm going to do a "Learning from Old San Juan, Puerto Rico" photo article.Smiley
Bike Jax
April 18, 2008, 11:29 am
Re: Learning from Toledo, OH

Some of those pictures remind of what downtown looked in the the late 70's and early 80's around and to the east of the current non-courthouse property. Before the city allowed property owners to take down buildings to create surface lots. I have pictures somewhere. I'll have see about digging them up.
Matt
April 18, 2008, 5:39 pm
Re: Learning from Toledo, OH

nice city. i love all the old buildings. makes me want to tie myself to the ones we still have....(history-hugger)
Ocklawaha
April 19, 2008, 1:52 pm
Re: Learning from Toledo, OH

I certainly miss Houston Street, the old LaVilla area and the hundreds of homes in Fairfield (stadium) district which survived the fire and pre-dated 1900 only to fall to the bulldozers of 1990. But looking at the sad landscape of Toledo, I was trying to remember ANYTHING that Toledo is famous for... The it hit me "HOLY TOLEDO! Wasn't Corporal Clinger of the 4077 M.A.S.H. from Toledo?"

Ocklawaha
Charles Hunter
April 19, 2008, 2:37 pm
Re: Learning from Toledo, OH

You are right, Ocklawaha!  Corporal Klinger was a big fan of the Toledo Mud Hens, and Packo's Hot Dogs!!
DetroitInJAX
April 19, 2008, 2:38 pm
Re: Learning from Toledo, OH

Ha.  Looks like they have more historic building stock to work with than we do... and it looks like the facades are more well kept or have been restored.  Most of our buildings that look like that have been leveled in favor of parking lots.
Ocklawaha
April 20, 2008, 4:14 pm
Re: Learning from Toledo, OH

I just re-re-reviewed this Toledo piece. I found "The Glass City" seems a complete mismatch for Toledo. Sure they might be the City of glass manafacturer but where the hell did it go? It sure wasn't used in Toledo! Anyone who has children or as a child (ageless or otherwise) and got turned on the L. Frank Baum's series of OZ books knows the adventures go far, far beyond one book and the classic Wizard of Oz. In the books one is introduced to "The Glass City". The description is a beautiful place and was set in the glass mountains (which in real life are in Central Oklahoma). Home of china glass people, and crystal lights, great glass houses and delicate glasswork one got the opinion that it was some New Age heavenly like dream world. When I hear the term Glass City my mind travels back to Dorothys house in Liberal, Kansas, to those Glass Mountains and the mythical glass city and then you guys go and post photos of TOLEDO! ^$&!@#$ retch, barf, gag... UGH!
Glass City? NOT!


Ocklawaha
heights unknown
April 27, 2008, 10:21 am
Re: Learning from Toledo, OH

Poor Toledo.  Yeah, Jax can learn from Toledo......To not raze old, historic buildings, fill in those surface parking lots, and do whatever it takes to enhance the image and viability of not only downtown, but the entire metro area (economically, financially, and commercially).

If it's Saturday, I'd hate to see what their downtown looks like Monday through Friday; downtowns should have more activity on Saturday, and even Sunday.

Heights Unknown
gatorback
April 27, 2008, 2:00 pm
Re: Learning from Toledo, OH

I think the norherners just wanted to get out from all that snow it's aweful.  Why in the hell would anybody want to stay up there is beyond me when you have sunny warm florida as an option.
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