| Rail without the FTA: Detroit |
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| Tuesday, 25 March 2008 | |
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Private-sector money behind a $103 million light-rail transit loop on Detroit's Woodward Avenue could cut 20 years off the planning process of bringing light rail to America's Motor City. Is anyone in the Mayor's Office and JTA paying attention? The original light rail starter line would stretch eight miles from Downtown to the edge of city limits. To avoid having to wait 20 years to do anything by dealing with the Federal Transit Administration, local businesses along the route have decided to fund nearly half of it themselves.
Private money behind transit projects is the wave of the future, said Douglas Bowen, managing editor of 150-year-old New York City-based Railway Age magazine. "It seems somewhat radical, but you're going to see more of that nationwide," he said. "For cities that don't have an established public transit culture, you're going to have people of means benevolently force-feeding the concept down to the general public level."
The privately financed line would connect downtown with a proposed commuter rail line. The commuter rail line, which also is being built without the help or approval of the FTA, will connect transit riders to the airport and Ann Arbor (University of Michigan).
The 3.4 mile street-level loop would run between Hart Plaza (downtown) and Grand Boulevard (New Center), with a dozen stops placed in high-traffic areas along the way, that include major businesses, theaters, ballparks, museums and hospitals. Officials estimate that annual operating costs will be between $4.2 million and $5.6 million. While the financial backers of this plan have not been officially revealed, Detroit media sources believe the plan is being backed by Roger Penske (CEO of Penske Corp. and Chairman of Downtown Detroit Partnership), Mike Ilitch (owner of Fox Theatre, Detroit Tigers and Detroit Red Wings), Dan Gilbert (Chairman of Quicken Loans) and Peter Karmanos, Jr. (CEO of Compuware Corp.). All have significant private investments along this stretch of Woodward Avenue. Compuware's headquarters is located at the new Campus Martius Park, Quicken Loans recently announced plans to move 4,000 employees downtown and Ilitch's theatre and professional sports stadiums are located on Woodward Avenue. Other major institutions along this stretch include Wayne State University, General Motors Corporation, and Detroit Medical Center.
Woodward Avenue Today
Woodward Avenue with rail
What others are saying:
Woodward Avenue Today:
Woodward Avenue with rail:
Privately financed rail project details: Cost: $103 million Length: 3.4 miles (double tracked) Vehicles: 2 streetcar-style trains powered by overhead electrical wires Operational Costs: $4.2 million to $5.6 million annually Funding: Ticket sales, advertising, private money, city general fund or new tax
It's time to get creative with mass transit planning and implementation. Both in terms of selected modes and financing opportunities. There's nothing wrong with trying to finance projects with Federal Transit Authority approval. However, waiting 20 years for substandard solutions and not having a long range plan already in place is unacceptable. Its also important to note that this privately financed plan would not be feasible if there was not already some sort of plan in place, which is why it is important to have a goal and vision of what you want to become in the future. With a long term vision in place, several of our peer cities such as Houston, Seattle, Austin and now Detroit are proving that improving our local mass transit network should not be totally dependent on the needs, wants, and timetable of the Federal government. It is time for Jacksonville to embrace this type of non-bureaucratic planning and problem solving.
------- 4/26/08 - Metro Jacksonville has been contacted by the project manager of the DTOGA study in Detroit, in an effort to add the following information for better clarification: - The DTOGS (Detroit Transit Options for Growth Study) project intends to pursue FTA New Start dollars. Ridership that will allow the project to qualify for federal funds was announced on April 21, 2008. - DTOGS representatives believe that the New Starts process will take 5-7 years from beginning to completion, as demonstrated by projects in cities like Minneapolis, Dallas, Denver, Charlotte and Norfolk, VA. - The privately led effort to jump start the construction of a light rail system in Detroit is a "public-private partnership". - The proposed Detroit-Ann Arbor commuter rail line, which will tie into the Woodward light rail line, is moving forward with the FTA, because the FTA rejected funding it because of ridership concerns. - For more information, contact Tim Roseboom, DDOT Project Manager at 313.833.1196 or timros @ ddot.ci.detroit.mi.us.
- The light rail images in the article were a part of the DTOGS study and were used by MJ to give readers a visual idea of what Woodward Avenue would look like with light rail. - While the additional information provided by the DDOT, was originally omitted from the Metro Jacksonville article, the fact and main point of the article remains that a visonary group of private sector leaders are willing to spend private dollars to jump start the construction of a light rail in Detroit between Downtown and New Center, along Woodward Avenue. As JTA continues their commuter rail and streetcar studies for Jacksonville, Detroit's progressive business community remains a solid example of how the private sector can play a role in making local rail a reality and lesser burden on the public sector. |

March 25, 2008, 4:38 am
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Is anyone in the Mayor's Office and JTA paying attention?
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Nice article. I'm sure that the JTA and City Hall is listening. Keep talking to them and they will understand.
March 25, 2008, 12:55 pm
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Looks like a great plan. Just curious, how well does the pedestrian access to the stations work with the line being in the median of the roadway versus one side or the other?
March 25, 2008, 1:04 pm
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Jason, traditionally this type of station was very popular, it is called "Safety Island" stations. Access is the old way, WALK - DON'T WALK and RUN!
Ocklawaha
March 25, 2008, 1:07 pm
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Great for exercize and increasing motor skills..
March 25, 2008, 1:09 pm
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Canal Street in New Orleans gives you an idea of what the system could look like.
March 25, 2008, 2:43 pm
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March 25, 2008, 4:57 pm
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Poor Canal Street, sad photo! Until the bus jerk's got hold on the Crescent City in the 1960's, this was the Worlds only 6 track streetcar line... Talk about grand Junction. I got there in time to see them pulling up track all over town. Funny, the photo reminds me of the death of streetcars. Thank God New Orleans woke up and saved one line and most of their cars. We dropped an A bomb on ours.
Ocklawaha
March 25, 2008, 5:08 pm
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This photo is from the 1929 streetcar strike. Two strikes became VERY violent, both here and New Orleans the National Guard had to escort the cars. Several of our cars were ambushed with gunfire and rocks. Blood was shed too... Note the 4 track mainline. Somehow, I recall there was 6 tracks at one of the intersections but looking at this I don't see it... bad memory? Or wrong intersection?
Ocklawaha
March 25, 2008, 5:12 pm
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Nice picture. So since then, automobiles took the entire street over, before they bought back two streetcar tracks a few years ago.
March 25, 2008, 5:24 pm
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Yes, and go back a few years before this shot and you'll see that the track wasn't paved it was landscaped.
Autopia!
However, call it the streetcars revenge....*SIC SEMPER CAROS
*and thus to ALL automobiles...
Ocklawaha
April 25, 2008, 10:01 pm
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I believe that the editors of metrojacksonville.com must provide the following clarification:
Except for one, all of the images shown in the article are from the dtogs.com web site, the City of Detroit Department of Transportation's project, which is separate from the privately-funded rail transit project featured in the article.
The image that has got Wayne State University misspelled is the only image that is not attributable to the DDOT project.
Please visit www.dtogs.com to verify this comment.
Thank you in advance to the editors of metrojacksonville.com for issuing the necessary errata.
April 25, 2008, 10:13 pm
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Thank you Amanlapaz for the clarification!
If you don't mind, could you identify which of the images is the privately funded project?
Reading the article, I am not certain whether or not the images are that important to the point of the editorial, but we definitely value accuracy as well as input.!
April 26, 2008, 6:42 am
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Thanks, Amanlapaz.
Although the images show the example of what light rail may look like on the same street in the same stretch as the proposed private line, The images are not as important as the focal point of private companies banding together to get the start of a mass transit solution underway. Nevertheless, as the Detroit plan moves forward we'll certainly make an effort to update this thread with the proper material.
April 26, 2008, 4:16 pm
What's good for Detroit is good for who?
Welcome to Detroit back in the day. This is the Interurban (long distance - high speed electric railway) system centered on Detroit. You may recall (or just look it up in the updated online references) that General Motors and a Ford division were at the heart of the destruction of over 46 electic rail systems in our country and the busification of America. Yet it seems whats good for Detroit wasn't good for Jacksonville... They sold us on going all bus, Trolleys were "old", "slow", "dangerous" etc... Why we even won the national safety award the year we shut down our trolleys.
Now here is where the story gets REALLY WEIRD, those big shots at NATIONAL CITY LINES, AMERICAN CITY LINES, or MOTOR TRANSIT COMPANY (JAX) took their orders from GM, Firestone, White, Phillips and Standard Oil (and God knows I'll jump out the window if I found my uncle Goodrich in that bunch! HA HA) So we have the closing of dozens of area trolley lines, the quick replacement of buses, the counting of coin for future pavement, oil, gas, replacement vehicles and for a time even revenue. So the big interurban in Detroit is in touble, they must wipe out much local service as the villians tighten the rope. Then comes this interesting photo, In the midst of all of this "trolleys are horrible for YOUR CITY talk", GM orders a completely new electric Interurban route to serve some of their new production facilities! WHY? Because trolley freight and commuter service had better speed and capacity! SAY WHAT? Oh and over at FORD... They built the electric Detroit-Toledo Electric Railway. Go figure Jacksonville... Anyone want to buy a Silver Dome?
Here is the interurban freight in Northern Indiana, service to Detroit, GM and FORD! Superior service, "SPEED - SAFETY - COMFORT" Those words were on the side of my first train ride and I'll never forget it or them. Los Angeles to Long Beach in time one could only dream of today. So perhaps "What goes around comes around?"
Detroit may redeem herself yet. I have that copy of Railway Age (if anyone is interested) and it goes FAR beyond Detroit. In fact it speaks about a new age transformation of the Transit World... of casting out decades of stupid planning demons. If you were going to write of the demons of Transit, where would you cast out the first ones? DETROIT!
Ocklawaha
April 26, 2008, 4:46 pm
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All I know, if a city like Detroit can begin to pull itself around with innovative thinking, anything is possible for Jacksonville with the right leadership in place.
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