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Sunday, 09 December 2007

Here are ten reasons why you should have serious concerns about JTA's proposed Bus Rapid Transit system.

 

1. Overall Costs

Transit planners continue to dodge questions about costs, claiming it is too early to give a price range.  Nevertheless, there is nothing new under the sun. The issues we are dealing with today have occurred in other communities, meaning there should be an ample supply of good and bad examples that we can learn from. 

Examples of existing dedicated busway systems show that these investments tend to cost just as much as state-of-the-art light rail systems and as much as five times more than other forms of rail transit.  If you think paying $400 million for a courthouse is expensive, then you haven’t seen anything yet.  JTA’s own Technology Assessment Documents state building dedicated busways could be anywhere from $26 to $33 million per mile. 

For a 29 mile system, this means the real price tag for our "souped-up" busways will be somewhere between $754 million and $957 million.  Given the fact that the courthouse budget has ballooned from $190 million, a few years ago, to $400 million today, is there any debate that BRT, as currently planned, won’t cost at least a $1 billion when it is complete in 2025?


2. Long range implementation schedule

It’s bad enough that Jacksonville is the largest American city planning its entire mass transit network around buses.  It's even worse that the planned 29 mile BRT system will not be fully operational until 2025.  It's criminal negligence that even when this system is finally built, it still won’t stretch past 103rd Street on the Westside, Baymeadows Road on the Southside, Regency Mall to the East and Gateway Mall to the North.  If this huge capital investment does not connect riders to where they really want to go, then it doesn’t matter whether it’s bus, rail, boat or plane.  Like the Skyway, it will fail.


3. The Cachet Factor

The slogan for BRT is “Think Rail, Ride Bus”.  Transit planners acknowledge that there is a national negative stigma associated with buses, yet they believe designing a dedicated busway to mimic and look like rail will overcome an issue no other major American city has solved.  However, history has shown a pig with lipstick is still a pig and that you can’t trick riders with gimmicks.  What’s more unfortunate is that JTA is willing to spend more to dress up buses to look like rail, then it would to just flat out to invest in rail upfront.


4. Duplication of Infrastructure

JTA consultants believe that if building dedicated busways is successful, the entire system could then be torn up and converted into light rail.  As Houston recently discovered in its rejection of BRT, doing such will mean paying double for mass transit.  In addition to this, three of the four BRT corridors parallel existing railroad corridors, two of which have the capacity for passenger transit.  Instead of taking resident’s homes and businesses and spending hundreds of millions to build a system parallel to existing railroads, why not seriously attempt to find a way to use what already exists?


5. Negative impacts on Downtown

After investing hundreds of millions in trying to revitalize downtown, things have finally turned for the better with a number of retail shops and restaurants with outdoor sidewalk seating starting to open up.   JTA’s RTS plan will negatively impact this positive trend by removing hundreds of parallel parking spaces and hampering business accessibility by replacing them with lanes dedicated only for buses.  Furthermore, planned BRT routes parallel the skyway, competing head to head with it for riders, as opposed to complementing our $184 million public investment by feeding riders into it.


6. Overlooking the Northside

The planned BRT corridor will parallel I-95, from downtown to Gateway Mall.  For this to happen, miles of right-of-way will have to be purchased and a new highway for buses only will have to be built. 

Unfortunately, residents don’t live, work, or play on the interstate, meaning this selected route will not conveniently serve our most urban neighborhoods.  On the other hand, the city already owns 5 miles of former rail corridor running just west of Downtown, within walking distance of the Farmer’s Market, Edward Waters College, Shands Jacksonville, Swisher International and a countless number of pedestrian friendly urban neighborhoods up to Gateway Mall.


7. Visual Blight

A dedicated busway is essentially a highway for buses only.  According to BRT documents, a significant portion of this system will have to be elevated to allow buses to cross existing highways, railways, and other congestion points.  Unfortunately, this system of elevated concrete highways will also slice through our historic neighborhoods, such as Murray Hill and Riverside/Avondale. Unless residents want to see a continuous flow of buses passing by their homes on elevated busways, there must be a better way for mass transit to be integrated into our communities.


8. Still subject to Vehicular Congestion

Believe it or not, after a making a billion dollar investment to get this system up and running, it will still have to mix in with regular streets for certain segments.  This means that an accident or traffic congestion will hamper schedule reliability.  A system that can’t guarantee arrival and departure times with its riders is one that will most likely fail to attract a large amount of ridership on a continuous basis.

 

9. American examples

At public hearings, JTA has been unable to point to one successful American example, illustrating the exact type of bus rapid transit system it is proposing. How can JTA buy into a system that their own hired experts can not provide a single successful example of. No where in America has BRT been successful, and it is doubtful JTA will be the first to pull it off.

 

10. Transit Oriented Development

Much has been made about the importance of Transit Oriented Development in our community. There's only one problem. BRT has an extremely weak track record of attracting quality transit oriented development in American cities. JTA's solution to this problem is to simply twist the definition of Transit Oriented Development to encompass anything adjacent to a bus stop. This is a deceitful tactic that will quickly become apparent after the system is complete.

 

Prepare yourself, BRT is about to make you wish for the days when the Skyway was Jacksonville's largest transit misstep. 

 

To learn more about JTA's planned bus rapid transit boondoggle and affordable alternative options out there, visit Metro Jacksonville's Transit section:

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/content/section/11/


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>> 8 Comments
NJ to JAX WHAT DID I DO?
December 9, 2007, 9:59 am
Re: Ten Reasons to Opposes JTA's Transit Plan

This BRT idea almost makes me sick.  As I meet more and more educated long-time Jax residents, I hear more and more the term "backwards" to describe Jax.  This BRT idea proves to me why the term "backwards" is used so often. 
wjpratt01
December 9, 2007, 11:56 am
Re: Ten Reasons to Opposes JTA's Transit Plan



   Would never happen, first of all CSX is a Union Operated and run Rail Industry, FEC or Florida East Coast, has already staged against any trins carrying the "Public" as banned. Amtrack has made many attempts to run down the East Coast Railroad, to connect Daytona Beach with Jacksonville, without having to run down the Seaboard CSX lines... only to find stalled talks.

  Jacksonville's traffic problem isn't a problem to many Govt. Officials or other City Committee officials either. We all tend to foget that it was the Florida's Public Vote that voted in "High-Speed Rail" using the ICE Monies already in play in the State of Florida's DOT, However, This Gov. is too, trying to find a way around that as well, when in fact, he can not. The law makers have strict language for what the ICE-T money "Can" and Cannot" be used for....so, it'll be a long time before you hear of that one...

  So, no, it'll never happen in the City of Jacksonville, another dead issue... what do ya think this is ? Boston??? Atlanta??? New York??? Chicago??? and so forth and so on ... this is Jacksonville, barely over a Million people... get real!

Ocklawaha
December 9, 2007, 12:23 pm
GET REAL??? How about Get Educated!

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Would never happen, first of all CSX is a Union Operated and run Rail Industry, FEC or Florida East Coast, has already staged against any trins carrying the "Public" as banned.

This should serve to show that THIS plan is already in the works!

FALSE: The Florida East Coast is very open to adding Amtrak or any other trains to their routes. They will need some capacity improvements and some signal changes and an overpass or two to make it happen. If you want to know where these improvements are needed just ask me.

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Amtrack has made many attempts to run down the East Coast Railroad, to connect Daytona Beach with Jacksonville, without having to run down the Seaboard CSX lines... only to find stalled talks.

FALSE: The attempts were made all right, but Amtrak expansion was frozen at the Federal Level just as Florida, Jeb Bush and the FEC finally had EVERY DETAIL worked out. In fact the trains were already scheduled, when President Bush tried to kill Amtak and zero it's budget. FEC was left as a onlooker to a crazy federal game and had NOTHING to do with killing that service.


Albuquerque's vision, followed by REALITY... Funny, looks like North Main Street in Jacksonville doesn't it?

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  Jacksonville's traffic problem isn't a problem to many Govt. Officials or other City Committee officials either. We all tend to foget that it was the Florida's Public Vote that voted in "High-Speed Rail" using the ICE Monies already in play in the State of Florida's DOT, However, This Gov. is too, trying to find a way around that as well, when in fact, he can not. The law makers have strict language for what the ICE-T money "Can" and Cannot" be used for....so, it'll be a long time before you hear of that one...

FALSE: The new ICETEA funding, can be used for urban transit improvements, which can include such things as Intermodal Terminals. Our old Jacksonville Terminal could be completely rebuilt into a World Class Transit station, indluding the Buses, Greyhound, Skyway, and Commuter or Light Rail, without spending a penny of FTA grant money... Interesting prospect. Toss in some FTA or other federal money or just local funds and there would be no end to what this could do.


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So, no, it'll never happen in the City of Jacksonville, another dead issue... what do ya think this is ? Boston??? Atlanta??? New York??? Chicago??? and so forth and so on ... this is Jacksonville, barely over a Million people... get real!

WEIRD: No we are not Boston, New York or Chicago. Our City is larger then the City of Atlanta. We are also not Salt Lake City, Albuquerque, Kenosha, Little Rock, Memphis, New Orleans, Charlotte, Fort Collins, Tacoma, San Francisco, El Reno, Tampa, San Jose, Sacramento, Cleveland, Buffalo, St. Louis, Fort Smith, Issaquah, or Kennebunkport, in fact we are much larger then most of these, much more dense, and much more built up and spread out all along our railroad lines... You are obviously suffering from inhaling the sulfur from far too many JTA buses...


BTW, this is my business, I'm a transportation planner, welcome to my world.


Ocklawaha
thelakelander
December 9, 2007, 1:12 pm
Re: Ten Reasons to Opposes JTA's Transit Plan

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Would never happen, first of all CSX is a Union Operated and run Rail Industry, FEC or Florida East Coast, has already staged against any trins carrying the "Public" as banned.

If you're serious, read these two articles and tell everyone again why CSX will never allow another entity to possibly purchase a segment of rail to use for passenger purposes.

CSX shifts its freight traffic for growth
The move will bypass a Central Florida commuter rail system expected in 2010
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/120407/bus_222530777.shtml

The Rail Option
"JTA project manager James Boyle is skeptical. He says CSX told him it might be able to spare one of its two parallel tracks that run from downtown to Orange Park.

But, at this point, it doesn't have enough extra capacity to give up the line that runs from the airport to downtown. Likewise, Florida East Coast Railway says it cannot give up the line running south of downtown, which it owns.

Both indicated they could work out a deal for the right of way if JTA wants to build its own parallel tracks.

Boyle doesn't know how much this would cost, but he's in ongoing communications about it."

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/110107/opi_213836605.shtml

Its definately possible and the precedence has been set many times, including twice in Florida.  The best way for it not to happen is for Jacksonville to ignore the opportunity.

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Jacksonville's traffic problem isn't a problem to many Govt. Officials or other City Committee officials either.

If this was truly the case, this discussion about spending a billion dollars on BRT would not be going on right now and traffic on JTB, Blanding and Beach (and others) would flow smoothly on a 24/7 basis.  If it were not really an issue, then you would be saying to whole basis of these recent articles are nothing more than lies.

The worst commute hits the road in Clay
"Clay County's 33.4-minute commute tops the national average by more than eight minutes and is about two minutes longer than Florida's second-place county, Osceola, south of Orlando."
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/102507/met_211753842.shtml

First Coast traffic: Worse than average
"Well, as you're stuck in traffic, start adding up the minutes: Over the course of a year, according to a highly anticipated study released Tuesday, Jacksonville drivers will spend 39 hours stuck in traffic.

That put First Coast congestion a bit above the national average of 38 hours a year, according to the study by the Texas Transportation Institute of 2005 data, the most recent available. Jacksonville was ranked 29th, tied with bigger areas like Las Vegas and San Antonio.

And Jacksonville is seeing much faster growth in the length of delays than the national average, the study said: Just to maintain a constant level of congestion as the population grows, Jacksonville would need to add 65 miles of lanes to its highways."

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/091907/met_200796548.shtml


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So, no, it'll never happen in the City of Jacksonville, another dead issue... what do ya think this is ? Boston??? Atlanta??? New York??? Chicago??? and so forth and so on ... this is Jacksonville, barely over a Million people... get real!

Making an argument for not doing anything because we're smaller than Chicago is like saying Michael Vick is a good role model because he only killed dogs, while Jeffrey Domer killed people AND ate them.  Btw, other urban areas barely over a million (some under) with various forms of rail include Buffalo, Charlotte, Nashsville, Salt Lake City and Albuquerque.  The difference between them and the Chicagos, NYCs, San Franciscos, Atlantas, etc. of the world is that they don't have "heavy" rail, which is a completely different topic altogether. 

So let's get real and seriously look at what we're setting ourselves up with for the future.
zoo
December 10, 2007, 4:23 pm
Re: Ten Reasons to Opposes JTA's Transit Plan

Why isn't JTA open to compromise? They can put BRT from intermodal hub by Prime Osborn up to State and Union and out to Arlington, Regency, and as far out to the Beaches as those on either side of the ditch will let them. Then use commuter rail to go the distances north, south and southwest. There. Was that so hard?
thelakelander
December 10, 2007, 5:09 pm
Re: Ten Reasons to Opposes JTA's Transit Plan

According to JTA in the TU article, we're all amateurs who are unaware of political realities, particularly when it comes down to paying for a multi-million dollar transit system. 

How would you like to be paid a decent salary and called a professional in your field, only to be shown up by a band of misfits, who have no problem telling you in public, your hard work blows bigtime?

In this case, a compromise, possibly losing some BRT funding and a wasted seven years of work could cost some people their jobs.  This is probably a major reason why the public will continue to be blown off without a huge uniform outcry.
Ocklawaha
December 10, 2007, 9:10 pm
Re: Ten Reasons to Opposes JTA's Transit Plan

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According to JTA in the TU article, we're all amateurs who are unaware of political realities, particularly when it comes down to paying for a multi-million dollar transit system.

This is funny! I didn't realize the paper labeled us as such... Care to take roll?

As I count it:

One Professional Urban Planner
One Retired Transportation Planner
One Active Jr. Transportation Exec.
One IT professional dealing with mass public
One Professional Restaurant/Entertainment Complex Owner
One City Councilwoman
One Attorney with PAC background
One Attorney with Municipal Background
One General Building Contractor
One Political Party Chairman

plus:

Two volunteer International Railroad Contractors, builders, operators...

While not all of us are 100% within Metro-Jacksonville.com, we all know eachother and more then work together. We are a hell of a team, one that JTA would be so lucky to have. The media needs to get this right, a bunch of foamer's chasing trains we are NOT!
 


Ocklawaha ROFL!  
thelakelander
December 10, 2007, 9:24 pm
Re: Ten Reasons to Opposes JTA's Transit Plan

There are a lot more not mentioned that have more experience in a variety of fields than anything the professionals who blessed us with the skyway and a bridge that may hamper port growth because its too short, can muster up.  Perhaps, this is why its easier for this band of political misfits to recognize the importance of transit from a community planning and integration standpoint, as opposed to only moving buses from point A to B.
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