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Tuesday, 30 October 2007

When city officials get together to talk downtown revitalization, they usually come up with big dollar projects such as convention centers, pocket parks, and shopping malls.  The topics de jour for downtown are generally projects that look good at a press conference and give the appearance that real work is being done.  Too often we miss the small things, the things that really bring together urban neighborhoods.  Today, Metro Jacksonville discusses five inexpensive ways we can improve our downtown.

1. Lighting

Lighting really shouldn't be on here, but since we don't do it well now, it makes the list.  Downtown has a reputation of being unsafe after dark.  While this is not true (and crime statistics back this up), poor lighting just perpetuates this reputation.  This should be a basic thing, but apparently it's not.  How hard is it to regularly change burned out light bulbs? Lighting makes people feel safe when they are walking down a block that happens to be full of vacant buildings and surface parking lots.

Unlike Jacksonville's form over function philosophy, Charleston has purchased simple, yet functional light poles for their downtown.  Perhaps if we chose to standarize on a more economical fixture, we could have a few more.

 


2. Pedestrian Signage

About 10 years ago we invested in automobile-oriented signage, which was good, except that we forgot that we actually have to maintain them  Now, how about Pedestrian-Oriented signage?  We've talked for years about treating downtown like a mall.  Well, when was the last time you were at a mall that didn't have those directory signs?  We don't even need anything that detailed, a map with major landmarks would be fine.  Rumor has it that this has been on Downtown Vision's plate for a while now.  They must be having a design competition, which will lead to a study, which will lead to a task force, which will lead to an implementation committee, which will lead to....well you get the idea.

Pedestrian Signage (like the one above from Chicago) can make people who don't know downtown make people feel at ease.

 


3. Revise The Trolley System

The trolley can be an asset to downtown, but it is poorly utilized.  For example, does anyone know where the magnolia line goes?  If JTA wants to name the trolley routes after flowers, colors, drinking games, or positions of the Kama Sutra, so be it.  Can we please put up a map at each of the stops so at least people know where it goes. 

How about naming the trolley routes Springfield, San Marco, and Five Points and running them to their respective neighborhoods? 

Also, did you know that the trolley is free to ride? JTA does not promote the fact that the trolley is free because they feel it will increase the number of homeless riders. The homeless already know, the downtown visitors don't.

Any idea where this thing is going... or when it will get there?

 


4. Leave Streets Open

It seems that every time that there is a gathering of more than 500 people downtown, we seem to need to close a street.  Everything from a Jaguars Game to Youth Night at First Baptist Church necessitates a street closure.  This causes the casual visitor to get lost, and not want to come downtown (Southside Blvd is always open). 

Even worse is when there is an event at the stadium - god forbid somebody wants to stay downtown after the game.  Instead, we bag all of the meters, and block off all of the north-south streets (which affects not only cars, but pedestrians who would like to cross the street. 

Leave all the streets open and let people go where they want to. 

Post game, entering Downtown is strictly forbidden.

 


5. On-Street Parking

Of the five things mentioned here, this is probably the most expensive.  However, it also can pay huge dividends.  A few years ago, we went through a "Widen the sidewalks" phase (the same sidewalks that have been there for 100 years and seemed to work fine during downtown's heyday).  Unfortunately, this came at the expense of on-street parking. 

The people who did this claimed that parking is available in garages. Well, most people don't want to pay a minimum of three dollars just for entering the garage (and much more if thet actually stay for a while).  Plus, people unfamiliar with downtown can be uncomfortable with parking in a structure, particularly if there aren't many people downtown (what if it closes, what if I can't get my car, etc). 

Where it's reasonable, on street parking should be reinstated.  Plus, in those places that have extremely large sidewalks, angled parking should be installed.  Not only is this easier for the southsiders with less parallel parking experience, a block with angled parking will have almost double the number of parking spaces.

It's so nice that we widened the sidewalk down Laura St.  Now these nice, wide sidewalks are empty because of the removal of parallel parking on one side of the street.

 

 

Now, are these the top five problems with downtown? Maybe, maybe not.  One can certainly argue that the homeless issue is a major problem downtown.  However, the true solution for this problem is not a cheap fix.  The five things here are all relatively inexpensive, and can make a huge impact downtown.

What else should be on the list?

 
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>> 19 Comments
Steve
October 30, 2007, 10:41 am
Re: Five Cheap Things to Help Fix Downtown

It's amazing how we seem to want to do the big things, yet we can't figure out the little things...
Charleston native
October 30, 2007, 11:29 am
Re: Five Cheap Things to Help Fix Downtown

As far as downtown lighting, using my hometown as a model is extremely inaccurate and wrong. My hometown is notorious for dimly lit streets throughout the entire city, let alone downtown. IMO, Jax's downtown seems much brighter. I've always thought that Jacksonville knows how to keep its city streets safe and secure with adequate levels of lighting.

Chas does have simplified light poles, to be certain, but it does a much poorer job than Jax of maintaining these light fixtures. In addition, the wattage of the bulbs is low, giving less lighting but still taxing the power grid. Jax does not need to follow this. Even the most recently renovated streets such as Meeting Street around the new Cooper River bridge have new light posts with VERY dim lights, and the crime in this area still continues.
thelakelander
October 30, 2007, 11:47 am
Re: Five Cheap Things to Help Fix Downtown

Lakeland would be a good lighting example to follow.  Compared locally, they are brighter and the distance between fixtures is much closer.



Steve
October 30, 2007, 12:18 pm
Re: Five Cheap Things to Help Fix Downtown

As far as downtown lighting, using my hometown as a model is extremely inaccurate and wrong. My hometown is notorious for dimly lit streets throughout the entire city, let alone downtown. IMO, Jax's downtown seems much brighter. I've always thought that Jacksonville knows how to keep its city streets safe and secure with adequate levels of lighting.

Chas does have simplified light poles, to be certain, but it does a much poorer job than Jax of maintaining these light fixtures. In addition, the wattage of the bulbs is low, giving less lighting but still taxing the power grid. Jax does not need to follow this. Even the most recently renovated streets such as Meeting Street around the new Cooper River bridge have new light posts with VERY dim lights, and the crime in this area still continues.

I think the comparison was more intended to be more for the simplicity of the fixtures, not the wattage of the bulb.  Our light fixtures cost 10,000 a piece.  Surely we can find a bright light fixture for less.
77danj7
October 30, 2007, 3:13 pm
Re: Five Cheap Things to Help Fix Downtown

$10K for one light fixture?
Wow...between light fixtures at this price and a new homeless park we've wasted a lot of money!
There has to be a cheaper/more efficient light that these!
Charleston native
October 30, 2007, 3:47 pm
Re: Five Cheap Things to Help Fix Downtown

Lakelander, much better example and comparison. Florida cities in general tend to have better lighting, and those light posts in Lakeland would be a great fit for Jax.

Steve, why do the light fixtures cost that much? Is it the material used for the poles, which normally is steel? Or is it the design?
fsujax
October 30, 2007, 4:13 pm
Re: Five Cheap Things to Help Fix Downtown

It is my understanding the historic lamps cost around $5,000 not $10,000. Whatever the costs, it is amazing to drive around at night and see how many are not working or only half lit.
Steve
October 30, 2007, 4:59 pm
Re: Five Cheap Things to Help Fix Downtown

Steve, why do the light fixtures cost that much? Is it the material used for the poles, which normally is steel? Or is it the design?

This number came from a budget done by the City's Public Works department for Laura Street.  they budgeted 10 light fixtures at 100,000, or 10,000 each.  This is atually 10,000 lower than Mike Saylor said that they were at a downtown public hearing (I can't remember which one)

Lakeland's look good (and the spacing is great), but I'd rather 10 basic light fixtures than 5 ornate ones (assuming they both put out the same amount of light.
Ocklawaha
October 30, 2007, 5:02 pm
Beyond Downtown Too!

Ever look at our roads? JTA? Whoever, doesn't mow the grass, doesn't maintain the bushes or flowers (in the rare event their are any). The exit from downtown on I-95 into the airport, looks rather like you are driving into some abandoned air base from 1943! Palm Trees? Geeze. Every up and coming City I know has a division with employees that seem to go around and find ways to make things beautiful to look at. In this respect alone, South America, Colombia, California, even Phoenix are FIRST WORLD PLACES and OMG, are we even on the planet?

Stupid Road Names, J. Turner Butler Blvd, or JTB, or J Turner, or Butler...okay which is it? To the out of towner this is mass confusion. Then to top it off, it's not ANY of the above, the damn road is a FREEWAY!! Why not call it what it is, settle on a simple, one name says it all such as the BUTLER-BEACHES FREEWAY! How about the dozens of road intersections that on the left it is XXX street and on the right it is YYY street? Dumb, NON PLAN? Why not make things simple and give ourselves credit for having more lane miles of real freeway then most other cities...Let's see, HART FREEWAY?, HARBOR FREEWAY? MLK FREEWAY? But nope, here we go again with the new Branan-Field-Chaffee-Road-Expressway...SAY WHAT? Why not Outer Belt Freeway (the future I-210)? Can you imagine what these nuts will do if the freeway from Kansas City to Jacksonville (which IS being built by the various states, not the Interstate system) is ever open to Jax? We can call it "The Kansas City-Arkansas-Tennessee-Mississippi-Alabama-Georgia-Jacksonville-Midwest-Cut-Off Road Highway..."

Trolley-Looks-like-a-bus-to-me, as well as the Skyway, and the downtown ambassador program should train and recruit a uniformed "Trolley-Skyway Conductor" program for youth and adult volunteers. They look like they stepped out of 1925, teens work with adults, they get REAL training, they give directions, help with tickets, passes, boarding, and serve as tour guides too. Alllllllllll Aboard? JTA, where is your imagination department?

Litter, graffiti and upkeep patrols, that can hit the bus stops, the park benches, just drive around and find little ways to make things pretty. Award employees or volunteers that show some creative solutions.

Get us some life size sculptures of famous residents along the waterfront walks. These need not be expensive, the new casting and even fiberglass copy systems make them more life like and affordable then ever before...
Besides, I'd love a photo op with Ray Charles, Oliver Hardy, Alonzo Mitchell, and Billie Burke, wouldn't you?

Trash the parking meters downtown, give out visitors tickets that are not tickets for folks from out of town. Replace the downtown potato-chip-trucks-think-their-trolleys with real ones and use the current ones and the parking meters for a giant sculpture called "URBAN STUPID!" Put one of those cute lawn statues on top with a little boy pissing on the whole pile! A celebrated public photo op.


Ocklawaha
DetroitInJAX
October 30, 2007, 5:13 pm
Re: Five Cheap Things to Help Fix Downtown

I agree with the comments regarding the closure of streets downtown.. Ive never seen anything like it in any city Ive ever been to.  Its NOT REQUIRED.  After the FL/GA game I got stuck in a huge traffic jam on Main Street because it was CLOSED south of Adams, requiring EVERYONE to head west on Adams.  I live downtown and it seems that when First Baptist has another one of their conferences on whatever, I have a hell of a time just GETTING to my residence.


Crazy. Just crazy.
jeh1980
October 30, 2007, 10:24 pm
Re: Five Cheap Things to Help Fix Downtown

 Just give'em time. THEY'LL know what to do. Wink
midnightblackrx
October 31, 2007, 12:32 pm
Re: Five Cheap Things to Help Fix Downtown

It's unbelieveable how the city almost suggests to visitors, "Get in, Get out" or (as my granpa used to lovingly say) "Come back when you can't stay so long".  It does not make a bit of sense how visitors are shuffled out of downtown after large events. I'm sure there are many people that would rather wait out the traffic jams in a restaurant or a bar rather than their cars.  Unfortuantely, they'd rather lead us in and out by the collar.
jeh1980
November 2, 2007, 5:45 am
Re: Five Cheap Things to Help Fix Downtown

We DO have some pedestrian signage...it just need to add maps. If fact, I ask one of the "downtown ambassadors" about it. He said that the only maps we can find in downtown are in the skyway terminals. Roll Eyes
jeh1980
November 6, 2007, 3:20 am
Re: Five Cheap Things to Help Fix Downtown

$10K for one light fixture?
Wow...between light fixtures at this price and a new homeless park we've wasted a lot of money!
There has to be a cheaper/more efficient light that these!
As far as downtown lighting, using my hometown as a model is extremely inaccurate and wrong. My hometown is notorious for dimly lit streets throughout the entire city, let alone downtown. IMO, Jax's downtown seems much brighter. I've always thought that Jacksonville knows how to keep its city streets safe and secure with adequate levels of lighting.

Chas does have simplified light poles, to be certain, but it does a much poorer job than Jax of maintaining these light fixtures. In addition, the wattage of the bulbs is low, giving less lighting but still taxing the power grid. Jax does not need to follow this. Even the most recently renovated streets such as Meeting Street around the new Cooper River bridge have new light posts with VERY dim lights, and the crime in this area still continues.
Lakeland would be a good lighting example to follow.  Compared locally, they are brighter and the distance between fixtures is much closer.




It's amazing how we seem to want to do the big things, yet we can't figure out the little things...

Why can't we just change the bulbs of these current lamps with more brighter ones. Surely it can do a lot of justice. Roll Eyes
thelakelander
November 6, 2007, 5:35 am
Re: Five Cheap Things to Help Fix Downtown

Some central streets don't even have lamps.  Julia, which is only one block west of Hemming Plaza, is a perfect example.  Others, like Laura, have certain blocks where the historic lamps aren't present as well.
Lunican
June 19, 2008, 11:57 am
Re: Five Cheap Things to Help Fix Downtown

Of these 5 suggestions, JTA was the only agency to take action with the revision of their trolley routes.
Driven1
June 19, 2008, 12:06 pm
Re: Five Cheap Things to Help Fix Downtown

yeah, for all their (what seemed like) initial hard-headedness, JTA has turned out to be the one governmental (or pseud-governmental) operation that has actually listened to citizen input and responded accordingly.  and it has not only been with the trolleys. 

city council?  a joke.  the mayor?  inexperienced and ineffectual - even when on "listening tours".  police?  still rushing people out of downtown after jags games as fast as possible.

kudos to JTA. 
Jason
June 19, 2008, 12:56 pm
Re: Five Cheap Things to Help Fix Downtown

Kudos JTA.  Thanks for the hard work.

I'm looking forward to seeing a finalized commuter rail plan soon as well.  Hopefully our input will be taken into consideration and debated.  Too bad Mike Miller and other don't chime in more often to discuss these topics in the forums.
thelakelander
June 19, 2008, 1:05 pm
Re: Five Cheap Things to Help Fix Downtown

They may not chime in much, but they do read the site and are aware of what's being discussed.
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