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| Wednesday, 05 September 2007 | |
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The Laura Street Transfer Station Business Center will potentially occupy a surface parking lot next to the Skyway's FCCJ Station in the near future.
This site is located on the west side of Laura Street, between Union and State Streets. If designed properly, this development could help reduce the no man's land between First Baptist Church and the proposed Hogans Creek Greenway.
Conceptual renderings show a site layout that includes two buildings located along Union and State Streets, with surface parking in the middle. The larger 11,000 square foot office building will face the corner of Laura and Union Streets. A smaller 2,720 square foot convenience center will front the corner of Laura and State Streets.
The plan reveals a site layout that does not properly address adjacent properties and instead focuses on the interior parking lot. Despite being labeled a Transit Oriented Development, this is a project that could be constructed anywhere. The proper terminology for this center should be a "Transit Adjacent Development".
Interesting enough, following the downtown master plan would gain JTA and the Renaissance Group more parking spaces, an outdoor plaza and the same amount of square footage that has been indicated on the plan recently submitted. The only difference is one embraces Laura Street and buffers the sidewalk by placing the parking area behind the buildings. |
September 5, 2007, 8:51 am
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
I'm happy that another parking lot may be developed.
September 5, 2007, 8:59 am
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
Color me underwhelmed.
September 5, 2007, 9:30 am
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
Im glad theyre redeveloping a dirt parking lot, but it totally turns its back on the street and has nothing to do with the Rosa Parks Transit Center.
September 5, 2007, 9:40 am
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
It appears that the 'alternative' design, which is far superior, IMO, would provide MORE square footage between the two buildings.
The original design appears to reflect a thought process that the convenience store 'must' be a separate building all it's own, instead of merely integrated into a larger building.
Lets hope the DRC sees the wisdom of doing something better than the submitted design. To get the DT we all want, the standards have to be enforced, or else there is no point in having them.
September 5, 2007, 9:41 am
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
Wow. Just wow.
September 5, 2007, 9:54 am
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
its pretty hard to address all street frontages...so the question is which is more important....State/Union or Laura?
September 5, 2007, 10:02 am
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
Good point. Right now, it looks like none are properly addressed. Overall, if you look at the context of the area, along with what's planned in the future, Laura becomes the most important from a pedestrian's standpoint, with Springfield, Klutho Park, Karpeles and FCCJ to the north and FBC, City Hall, Hemming Plaza and the main library to the south. For all intents and purposes, the amount and speed of traffic, along State & Union make them deadly zones for pedestrians.
With FCCJ's proposed campus expansion, a well layed out Laura Street business center offers the opportunity to create a little synergy in the area.
September 5, 2007, 10:05 am
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
Which begs the question, will the convenience store sell BEER?
Nice fit as a Mission Adjacent Development
Ocklawaha
September 5, 2007, 10:33 am
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
Probably so. It should give Shell and Scottie Stores a little competition, considering its next to the bus depot.
September 5, 2007, 4:13 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
that has got to be one of the ugliest buildings i have ever seen. and a parking lot. and why not take up less space and put the convenience center UNDER the office or at least redesign it. why does it have a roof like that? this isnt the suburbs. cut the lot in half(or quarter), ditch the roof and parking lot, and then i would be able to look upon it without contempt. thats just my stupid opinion tho. and no, i dont think that its better than nothing.
September 5, 2007, 4:30 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
oh, but there are people on the sidewalk in these pictures. that means it encourages pedestrian traffic on the sidewalks, right? a couple of them are even waiting to cross the street.
i guess if buildings like these start being built downtown, we might as well forget the concept of 'small city' and focus on 'huge sprawling suburb of itself'
September 5, 2007, 8:48 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
I recall a building I saw once that was similar, it was the extended stay hotel in BFE, courtesy of the US Military. The only other one was the Striped Ass Ape enclosure at the Omaha Zoo... Urban? Hardly!
I am glad the convenience store will probably sell beer and 99 cent wine, I need both after looking at those photos again. Those people on the sidewalk in the photo are already drunk. There is one redeeming value to the building though, JTA in it's infinite wisdom hasn't placed it at the end of the Skyway route (thus blocking any future expansion) Does ANYONE know how they managed to mess up such an opportunity to be the JTA we all know and love?
Ocklawaha
September 5, 2007, 9:15 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
Oh I get it! Everyone missed it except me. Let me explain. You see JTA is doing a replica of Mayberry and plan to bring a horse drawn carriage to compliment these 18th century buildings. The heck with urban revitalization.
September 6, 2007, 2:14 am
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what's a striped ass ape? is it an ass ape that's striped, or an ape with a striped ass?
st. louis has a completely bald chimp. it looks like a little old man that throws poo.
September 6, 2007, 10:04 am
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
You guys have gone ape
September 6, 2007, 10:22 am
Striped Ass Ape's
What is a Striped Ass Ape?
How fast does it go?
It is the symbol of the 391St Fighter Squadron, a cartoon ape, riding a bomb (which sounds like JTA to me).
Ocklawaha
November 20, 2007, 12:53 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
Here's another rendering. This image shows the wall along Laura. If the DRC is still involved in the approval process, its face and interaction with Laura Street definately needs to be addressed, seeing that this block of Laura is a vital link in reconnecting Springfield and Downtown on a pedestrian level.
November 20, 2007, 1:02 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
But look Lake, it has pretty palm trees and a Lamborghini parked out front. That just screams "Welcome to the biggest city in Florida!!"
November 20, 2007, 2:11 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
How many other major metro areas would built something like this in the core?
November 20, 2007, 2:22 pm
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more than you think!
November 20, 2007, 2:25 pm
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While its not as dense as most of us would like, I think the uses and size of the development are fine. I think the most critical aspect is the treatment toward Laura Street. Taking the same building and turning it to face Laura, instead of Union, would do wonders, imo. However, this is something hopefully that our DRC or whatever its called now should pick up on.
November 20, 2007, 2:29 pm
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more than you think!
Looking on the bright side, it could be worse. A suburban Goodyear tire shop (2006) is last new building constructed between State and Union.
November 20, 2007, 5:25 pm
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haha.. whats with the Lamborghini.. thats just silly.
November 20, 2007, 7:02 pm
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Several JTA bus routes pass along State and Union, that should make this a TOD by JTA's own definition. As for the fast car? Haven't y'all ever seen the fiberglass kit car built on a 1970 Buick Opel frame before? What's with the GREAT WALL? Is this to keep the inmates in or the rest of us OUT? Sorry, but if the designers of this thing are reading this, my own feelings are...
Where's the shade?
What if it's raining?
What if I'm on Laura?
How ugly is a brick wall?
Salt box? Federal? New England? FORGET IT...
No entry?
No Balconies?
No color?
SOS... DIFFERENT DAY!
Ocklawaha
November 20, 2007, 11:48 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
Ock may be right in regards to the car. I have never seen a Murcielago with that hood intake before. even before I saw the "Lambo", I noticed the Jaguar fleeing the scene on the right side. For a convenience center this place attracts a pretty high class crowd.
November 21, 2007, 10:17 am
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
I think they polished and waxed the road as well
It looks like you could eat off of that!!!
November 21, 2007, 12:02 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
nah thats just because its wet from all the homeless people peeing on it.
March 15, 2008, 9:54 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
oh my.....goodness....is that, a FENCE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! A brick one no less??? In a dt? please....just shoot me... i don't want to see this built...
March 16, 2008, 4:38 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
Its a cool looking building ,,,but how did they render glossy streets
June 13, 2008, 1:53 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
06/13/2008
by Max Marbut
Staff Writer
A mixed-use development project that will anchor the north end of Laura Street got a step closer to reality Thursday when the Jacksonville Economic Development Commission (JEDC) approved a development agreement for Laura Street Station, LLC. The developers will construct a single-story restaurant building and a three-story retail and office building on the half-acre unpaved parking lot adjacent to the Rosa Parks/FCCJ Transit Terminal and bordered by Laura, State and Union streets. When complete, the project will include 5,700 square feet of retail space and 6,000 square feet of office space.
Full Article:
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=50229
June 13, 2008, 2:16 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
1 parking lot gone,, 56 more to go,,,,,,,,,
June 13, 2008, 2:28 pm
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I wonder if the site plan changed in a way that would make Laura Street more walkable. The old plan had a three story building facing Union Street a surface parking lot along Laura Street and a one story building on State Street.
The narrow sidewalk with the brick wall is Laura Street.
June 13, 2008, 3:57 pm
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LOL Beloki; but you know what, you are absolutely correct! Let's fill them all up and in and get some supertalls on some of them! Jacksonville.......the next Seattle of the East Coast!
Heights Unknown
June 13, 2008, 11:10 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
Alright.....another Southside Office Park building.....and a lovely wall facing a main street....
Will the mold ever be broken?
June 13, 2008, 11:20 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
That site plan doesn't make sense. They are promoting their closeness to the Skyway/Bus station, just across Laura, then building a blank wall facing Laura. Am I missing something here?
June 14, 2008, 12:25 am
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
The site is on the same block as the Skyway/bus terminal. From reading the article, it sounds like the plan may have changed somewhat, but the original layout had an 11,000 square foot three story office building facing Union Street and a 2,700 square foot retail space facing Union. There was a 24 space parking lot in the middle, opening up to Laura Street. The original layout seemed to be pretty poor in relating to both the skyway station and Laura Street.
original layout
June 14, 2008, 2:33 am
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
The cluelessness remains. What direction is this city going in?
June 14, 2008, 5:44 pm
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Weird!
June 14, 2008, 10:54 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
Oh, thanks. I thought it was on the east side of Laura.
But where will the First Baptists park on Sunday? if that lot is taken up?
June 15, 2008, 9:34 am
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
The already have a ton of garage parking and they can parallel park on downtown's streets. FBC should be alright.
June 15, 2008, 2:02 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
Will the mold ever be broken?
Better than nothing or a Parking lot!
I agree, the mold needs to be broken, but probably won't until we're dead and gone; so.......be happy with what will go up there now.
Heights Unknown
June 15, 2008, 2:08 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
Biggest City in Florida with nothing to do or no where to go; but I still love Jax and feel it is the best City in Florida!
Heights Unknown
June 15, 2008, 4:49 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
Will the mold ever be broken?
Better than nothing or a Parking lot!
I agree, the mold needs to be broken, but probably won't until we're dead and gone; so.......be happy with what will go up there now.
Heights Unknown
It doesn't have to be this way. This can change for the better by highlighting the overlooked connectivity issues with these types of inill projects. If we stay silent, things won't.
June 15, 2008, 6:18 pm
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But where will the First Baptists park on Sunday? if that lot is taken up?
Well...they sure don't park in Skyway Park and Rides!! he he he he he...money on the table.
June 17, 2008, 2:33 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
From JEDC Downtown Development Brief- June 2008
• The JEDC approved the first Downtown development project subject to new Transportation Concurrency Exception Area (TCEA) standards and obligations. The proposed project consists of two buildings: a 2,920 sq. ft. convenience store and an 8,780 sq. ft. office building with restaurant space. Located adjacent to the Rosa Parks ASE Terminal End Station on Laura Street between State and Union Streets, the proposed project will provide ASE and transit pass information and sales. Both buildings will be designed to engage the pedestrian by including architectural awnings to protect pedestrians from the elements and large windows and doorways that face the sidewalk to enhance the security of pedestrians. The adherence to the proposed TCEA mitigation standards by the developer will promote transit and walkability in Downtown. The project will also provide patrons of the ASE Terminal End Station with restaurant and retail opportunities within close walking distance.
June 17, 2008, 2:38 pm
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Convenience store? Let me guess, cheap beer and cigarettes?
June 17, 2008, 2:45 pm
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What's wrong with cheap beer?
June 17, 2008, 9:40 pm
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What's wrong with cigarettes?
June 18, 2008, 5:48 pm
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What's wrong with cheap?
June 19, 2008, 10:18 pm
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I dont think we need a carbon copy of Adam Street's "Scottie Store"... dear god..... Im afraid to go to Chew half the time.
June 19, 2008, 11:45 pm
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
I think the last poster said it.
June 29, 2008, 10:48 am
Re: Laura Street Business Center Renderings
In my opinion the building looks good, o.k. mind you, but it is a rendering of a building that should have been built say in Baymeadows, Murray Hill, or somewhere on the Southside. They could have built something with a much more urban feel with a Jacksonville "taste" within it (whatever that is). The building's o.k. I guess; at least it's filling up a dirt parking lot (providing infill) but something much more better and creative could have been built.
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