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Wednesday, 30 May 2007

"Redeveloping the area around the Shands [Medical Center] campus will likely ensure the opportunity for growth and could enhance the hospital's reputation. We are going to make sure we do all we can to create an environment where they can grow more and have a stronger presence here for all the right reasons."

Mayor Peyton - Jacksonville Business Journal 5/25/07

In a recent Jacksonville Business Journal article, Mayor Peyton goes into great detail about how special Shands Jacksonville is and the city's intentions to possibly help improve the campus through land acquisitions, road enhancements, beautification and development upgrades within the hospital.  While the fluff piece made mention of minor improvements such as streetscaping 8th Street, there is one major thing still being overlooked by sometimes clueless public officials.

That overlooked diamond-in-the-rough is the city-owned S-Line and the idea of using it for urban commuter rail, as opposed to spending hundreds of millions on a bus rapid transit highway that would run parallel to I-95, from downtown to Gateway Mall.  Over the last year, we have continued to push the benefits of using the S-Line as a part of our mass transit network, as opposed to the city's plan to convert the abandoned rail corridor into a 12' wide asphalt jogging path.

The images below illustrates how incorporating the S-Line and mass transit into a redevelopment plan could easily reshape a large portion of the inner city and improve Shands Jacksonville in the process.

 

S-Line Route Map

Highlighted in green, the S-Line snakes through the Northside, from the Prime Osborn, north to Gateway Mall.  Also shown in red, is the competing BRT north corridor from downtown to Gateway Mall. 

8. Over 1,100 residents are employed by Shands Medical Center, which is in walking distance of S-Line right-of-way.  A stop in this general area has high potential for a transit oriented development that can include needed affordable housing, in addition to reconnect the street grid, providing a stronger connection between Durkeeville, Springfield, and New Springfield.

To see S-Line photo tour, click here: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/content/view/334/92/

 

What is a TOD (Transit Oriented Development)?

Transit Oriented Development, is the exciting new fast growing trend in creating vibrant, livable communities. Also known as Transit Oriented Design, or TOD, it is the creation of compact, walkable communities centered around high quality train systems. This makes it possible to live a higher quality life without complete dependence on a car for mobility and survival.

www.transitorienteddevelopment.org

 

The "Bloody Block" as a Transit Oriented Development site?

 

This recent aerial shows Shands Jacksonville and the area just to the north which consists of blighted apartment complexes that are a negative on the atmosphere of the communities surrounding it.

 

 

This aerial overlay highlights the high crime complexes in red, Shands Jacksonville, in yellow, and the S-Line right-of-way in light green.  Also shown is the proposed BRT line paralleling I-95, in purple, and city owned vacant land in dark green.

Using the S-Line would save the city and JTA millions in right-of-way costs.  A portion of the money saved could go into a public/private partnership with an entity, like Shands, to purchase the Bloody Block, which combined with the city's adjacent land would form a huge Transit Oriented Development site. 

 

 

This final aerial illustrates a potential buildout plan for a transit oriented development site that could feature a rail stop for the community and Shands Jacksonville, additional medical/office/retail facilities and housing for medical center workers and the adjoining communities.  With the Bloody Block eliminated and replaced with something positive, the street grid could be re-established creating a vibrant connection between Durkeeville, Springfield and New Springfield. 

This Transit Oriented Development example is only one of many sites along the S-Line that could not only add to the city's tax rolls, but be a catalyst for future economic development in the heart of the city and become a built in ridership destination for mass transit.  Economic development of this form is simply not possible with the current BRT plan, which would spend as much as 10 times more in public dollars to construct a partially elevated busway parallel to I-95. 

 

City's Current Position on the S-Line

Earlier this month, Metro Jacksonville had the opportunity to sit down and discuss various issues affecting the city with Adams Hollingsworth of the Mayor's Office.  Hollingsworth explained that the S-Line is in the possession of the Parks & Recreation Department, which intends to convert the rail line into a jogging path.  Their official position is that if the S-Line is best used as a mass transit corridor, then the city could easily take the land back, pull up the asphalt and go from there. 

To cut through the layer of "we intend to do nothing", the Mayor's Office appears to be fine with letting hundreds of thousands of public tax dollars be wasted for a 4 mile long jogging path, instead of taking a stand to take advantage of this unique opportunity and its positive economic impacts on Shands Jacksonville and a host of other Inner City destinations and neighborhoods.  With a huge budget crunch facing City Hall, you don't need a high school degree to figure out that continued inactivity and wasteful spending is not the best thing to do. 

 

 

 
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>> 20 Comments
JUSTDAVE
May 30, 2007, 5:54 am
skyway would make better jogging track

there is a better chance someone along the s line needs to go to some other place along the s line than anyone along the skyway needing to go anywhere along the skyway
thelakelander
May 30, 2007, 6:57 am
What about the Skyway?

The funny thing is using the S-Line ROW, as a segment for regional mass transit, would help feed riders (headed downtown) onto the Skyway, via the planned transportation center, instead of bus rapid transit, which would compete against it, because planners have this notion that no one wants to ever transfer.  

If that line of thinking continues, then the skyway would be better off as a jogging track, considering the amount of money invested in it.  Knowing JTA, they'd probably find a way to stick buses up there, lol.
Jeremiah
May 30, 2007, 8:43 am
Transit Development

I must cry a bit of ignorance on this point (shame on the architect).  I had not before known that mass transit developments like this were such a hot button topic.  Obviously Mass Transit is an issue that any major city needs to address intelligently and diligently.  Whether Jacksonville has the proper "resources" for such an undertaking is unlikely given the current make-up of elected officials, but I think hope is still alive.  
What I would like to propose, and hopefully I can get our local Emerging Architects Chapter involved, is to propose a series of sites along the S-Line, or simply within our urban fabric, for redevelopment potential.  We, either EA or myself and a couple of others, develop those sites into a cohesive master plan for development and present that plan to the city in very large format so that they can't ignore it.  There has already been enough research done just by MetroJacksonville on the topic of Mass Transit redevelopment and infrastructure to springboard the whole thing.  If we couple that with solid design solutions, and get some press for it, then there is little chance that the city officials could ignore it.  
Any thoughts?    
thelakelander
May 30, 2007, 9:01 am
TODs in Jacksonville?

Jeremiah, that sounds like a pretty good idea and we would be up to doing what we can to help Emerging Architects out in a study of potential transit oriented development sites (there's several) along the S-Line and in the Inner City.  

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Whether Jacksonville has the proper "resources" for such an undertaking is unlikely given the current make-up of elected officials, but I think hope is still alive.


Our lack of proper "resources" (financially) is exactly why we should take a serious look at the S-Line as being a part of our city's future mass transit network.  

1. Its a 4 mile abandoned rail corridor still free of development.

2. Its already city owned and grade separated at major expressway crossings.

3. The path, actually travels where people live and work in Jacksonville's densest pedestrian friendly neighborhoods.

4. The potential to spur market rate TODs along the route is great, due to the abundance of city owned land along the right-of-way and remaining unique brick structures from the warehousing era of the early 20th century.

5. It directly ties Gateway Mall to the Prime Osborn, both of which, serve as the start/endpoints for JTA's planned BRT system's north route.

6. Its at least ten times cheaper than going with what the city and JTA already have planned with BRT.

Once you realize this route is already in city ownership, clear of development and would save the city/JTA money on mass transit costs, you really begin to question the true reason of why we're letting this potential resource of market rate economic energy roll right between our legs.
Ocklawaha
May 30, 2007, 10:55 am
BRT or anything BUS is not the answer on the "S" line.

Looks like a case for "Modern Streetcar" to me. Of course in the wisdom of JTA it's easy to see why ONLY they think BRT is the answer. The numbers speak for themselves. America has ALWAYS had a "love affair" with rail transportation. People will ride a rail vehicle, but not a bus. JTA can have BRT built to look like a LRV, hide the rubber tires, tell us "Think Rail and Ride the Bus," until they are blue in the face!
It WILL NOT WORK!

Data compiled by the American Public Transportation Association reveal that, over the decade 1990-2000, total passenger-miles carried by US public transit increased at a very impressive pace – nearly 16%, or over 6.5 billion passenger-miles. (See table below.) And, of that growth, approximately 84% is accounted for by America's rail transit systems.

Bus (including BRT) accounted for 1.2% of Transit Growth
Light Rail accounted for 137.5% of Transit Growth

Passenger-Mileage, Growth, and Percentage Growth
Millions of Passenger-Miles, 1990-2000 ( Source:American Public Transportation )Associan

Ocklawaha
Lunican
May 30, 2007, 11:17 am
great plan

This is one of my favorite proposed plans. Unfortunately I don't think the city is interested in taking on projects like this. It's too much work, and they get paid whether they do it or not. The public really needs to start demanding more from their elected and appointed leaders.
Johnny
May 30, 2007, 11:37 am
Nice article

As usual, nice piece. Unfortunately, I have a feeling you are preaching to the choir at this point. The majority that reads these articles are sold and have probably even sent some emails to the political powers that be.  Cry
Jeremiah
May 30, 2007, 1:10 pm
"Not Interested"

Dan, I agree with you.  But I think the reason that the city is not overly interested in real solutions to mass transit is a multi-faceted one.  First, they lack real vision for the city.  They concentrate on half measures and lines of thought that never get carried through to any viable or rational conclusion.  Secondly, and I may again be a little ignorant on this point, the city doesn't seem to be getting any real heat about what they are, or aren't, doing.  There is the occasional article in TU on page 43 next to the diet advertisements and breast enhancement ads, or in Folio, and of course the scathing exposes done by our dear MetroJacksonville friends.  But for the most part, the "buzz" on the street seems to be a decided disinterest in what is really going on.  Perhaps we take for granted that we have vested ourselves in the future of the city, but the vast majority of the populous has not.  While that is a shame, it falls on us to raise the level of awareness to the great majority and get them involved and caring about their city.  How exactly we do that I know not, but I'm sure there is a way.  The bottom line for all of us, it seems, is that change needs to happen and it needs to happen soon.  I'm sure many of us have sent letters and emails to the City Officials, but obviously they are falling on deaf ears.  True change needs to start and it should start with us in the form of decided action.  EA will be having a meeting the third tuesday of June and I'll be bringing up this subject.  One way or the other I'll get a couple of people together to start thinking about this in a very real way.
Ocklawaha
May 30, 2007, 8:01 pm


How we might effect a revolution! You cruising a local freeway or bridge, suddenly there is a big ol billboard that says...

Do you want another bus? Or a finished Skyway and Light Rail?
MET-JAX.com etc...

A photo of an empty bus, monorail and Modern Streetcar would round it out. I predict this web site would be overrun with newbies!

Ocklawaha

Charles Hunter
May 30, 2007, 8:45 pm
Jogging Path = Roadblock

As usual, good article.
Once the City puts down the jogging path / bike trail the land becomes a "public park" and it becomes much much harder to spend Federal dollars to convert even a portion of it into a transportation use.  The current ownership by Parks and Rec. may be a problem, even in it's fallow state.  Although it was purchased with Federal transportation enhancement funds.
The JTA is about to select a consultant to do a Commuter Rail Feasibility Study.  One of the earliest assignments to that consultant should be to determine the viability of the S-Line for Commuter Rail, including the parks issue.
JUSTDAVE
May 31, 2007, 8:55 am
Is anyone in city government actually looking for cheaper

It is nonsensable to post sensable ideas when it comes to transportation. The 1st step to making any good idea prosper is to find someone well connected who can a fortune on the idea. by that time what actually costs less isn't clear. BRT is clearly a goldmine for the well connected. Good ideas like this one only will help us serve the community if someone actually is forced to do more with less. Anyone who is an advocate for senseable ideas should also be an advocate for lower taxes.    
Gerry
May 31, 2007, 8:37 pm
Don't underestimate UF&Shands

The number of employees at UF&Shands, UF Proton, the V.A. Clinic and Public Health  exceeds 5,000, not the 1,100 earlier stated.  Nearly a thousand are U.F. faculty and students.  Many of these folks actually live in the areas the S-Line Trolley would serve.  In other words, thousands could take the train to work and be on time, solving parking and fuel problems.  

The S-line would not be as convenient for those living in Springfield, as it would almost be as easy to walk downtown as to walk to a  train station north of the ER, though it would be the quickest and easiest way between Historic Springfield and the mall, and Springfielders would be enthusiastic riders.  Also, the S-line would greatly assist the warehouse district just north of east Springfield (12th St.) which is in process of being developed as an area for art and business lofts and condos.  What a jump start.  

Imagine folks taking the trains from San Marco or Durkeeville to FCCJ and UF&Shands and E.12th St. to go to work, play, study, shop, get treatment at these developing corners of Springfield; and then on to the Mall..

 Finally, jogging/bicycle/horse trails exist side by side with trolley tracks all over the world . . . it's not one or the other.  A light barrier is all that is needed to separate the two.  There is no legitimate reason to limit this corridor to an either/or solution.  

Finally #2, the last thing Jacksonville needs is yet another strip of concrete.  Boston pulled down their elevateds, and now Seattle, having just built them, is talkng about their own big dig to reclaim and re-unite their city.  The Bus route would have to be built at great expense and to the detriment of the community.  The rail is in place.  It is owned and relatively inexpensive to convert to trolley and cycling/walking use. The entire northside would win, as would San Marco residents, and all institutions such as UF&Shands, UFProton, the V.A., Public Health, FCCJ, the developing warehouse loft district; as well as city budgeting, joggers, walkers and cyclists.
Ocklawaha
June 1, 2007, 2:06 pm
LOOP IT Y'ALL!

Imagine the "S" line, single track, built to railroad standards. It runs from Transportation Center to the Shands complex. Beyond Shands, it turns down Pearl, heads back downtown, a Jog on Duval to Lee and South on Lee brings it back to TC.
Add a second Heritage route using Lee to Water to Independence to Newnan to Beaver to Stadium and return on Duval back to Lee. Main Street is another possible route Newnan to Beaver/State or Union to Main to 8th to Pearl and return on the S line.  Building this "S" route to railroad standards would allow us to use it for DMU service at some future date (at the same time we could add a second track for LRT or Modern Streetcar). We must keep up the pressure to FORCE JTA to do the will of the people and quit driving over us!

Ocklawaha
lynnegh
February 11, 2008, 11:14 am
Re: Shands & The S-Line: Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is!

Why are all the previous comments dated last May?

And, Ocklawaha, please tell me that the following is either a typo or a mis-print:

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Bus (including BRT) accounted for 1.2% of Transit Growth
Light Rail accounted for 137.5% of Transit Growth

And y'all seem to be making the blithe assumption that people are going to be cheerful about walking to that station from Shands, whilst the truth is that people are afraid to walk to the parking lots immediately surrounding the complex for fear of rapists and muggers.  Surely you don't subscribe to the theory that tearing down those "high-crime" apartment complex is going to eliminate the problem.

All that said, I still think, as I have for the past 20 years, that the rail system is the way to go.  The BRT is hopelessly stupid, especially considering that JTA will constantly have to reduce service as the price of fuel continues to soar.

downtownparks
February 11, 2008, 11:20 am
Re: Shands & The S-Line: Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is!

Those high crime apartments are the only thing around shands! They account for an alarming amount of the crime in and around Shands.

If those apartments are replaced with hotels and retail facilities, then the odds are the crime issue will drop. Perception may not change over night, but too many people in Jax are afraid of their own shadow anyway.
thelakelander
February 11, 2008, 11:33 am
Re: Shands & The S-Line: Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is!

And y'all seem to be making the blithe assumption that people are going to be cheerful about walking to that station from Shands, whilst the truth is that people are afraid to walk to the parking lots immediately surrounding the complex for fear of rapists and muggers.  Surely you don't subscribe to the theory that tearing down those "high-crime" apartment complex is going to eliminate the problem.

Yes, we subscribe to the theory that eliminating the two crime riddled apartment complexes and replacing them and the surrounding area with a mix of infill uses would have a positive effect on that area and the neighborhoods surrounding them.  At least this has been the recent trend in other major cities where these places have been replaced.

PROTRANSIT
February 22, 2008, 4:16 pm
Re: Shands & The S-Line: Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is!

Did you miss the school in the middle of the abandoned S-line corridor? Dah!
thelakelander
February 22, 2008, 4:31 pm
Re: Shands & The S-Line: Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is!

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Did you miss the school in the middle of the abandoned S-line corridor? Dah!

If you refer back to our S-Line articles in our transit subsection, you'll find how to address this minor issue.  To sum it up, there's an existing NS rail corridor immediately next to the school that connects both S-Line sections together.  So if you relay track along the S-Line, it would turn slightly north near Boulevard run parallel to NS's track and branch off on the old S-Line ROW near Market Street.  School problem solved without spending $400k on consultants.

S-Line map

Take a look at No. 8.  Here you'll see where the path would branch off on city owned land and run parallel to the NS track, which borders the school's grounds.  Btw, you can clearly see the school on this image as well.
Steve
February 22, 2008, 4:33 pm
Re: Shands & The S-Line: Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is!

Did you miss the school in the middle of the abandoned S-line corridor? Dah!

No, we didn't - if you look at the property appraiser's web site, you can see the NS line corrisor around it.  We usually leave it out of presentations, because it's more complicated and takes time to explain, and the result is the same - it can easily be done.
Steve
February 22, 2008, 10:58 pm
Re: Shands & The S-Line: Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is!

Not to mention, this is much cheaper than buying ROW alongside I-95, which is JTA's BRT plan.
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