| BRT & Transit Malls: Do they create Vibrant Cities? |
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| Friday, 06 April 2007 | |
![]() On Monday, April 2, 2007, the consultants for JTA's Bus Rapid Transit system presented their plans for the downtown busway routes to the CPAC. During this presentation, planners had attempted to prove that despite eliminating parallel parking spaces, restricting vehicular accessibility to downtown retailers, and introducing a massive streamlined network of city buses to pedestrian friendly downtown streets, Bus Rapid Transit would enhance and stimulate economic activity, not destroy it. To drive their point home, consultants mentioned a couple of "successful" transit malls across the country to reduce the fears of those not too keen on their plan of converting Adams Street and the Bay Street Town Center into diesel exhaust pits. Here are a few reasons why the idea of BRT in the heart of downtown should be avoided at all costs, based off information about the transitways used in JTA's recent presentation. Direct links are provided back to sources and cities websites that are discussed to allow Metro Jacksonville readers to digest the information for themselves.
Marion Street Transitway - Downtown Tampa... Where are the people and the street level retail? Between the LYMMO, 16th Street Mall in Denver, and Nicollet Mall in Minneapolis, two of the three JTA transit mall examples don't allow regular buses along their paths. The third is under attack by local residents who are tired of bus fumes destroying the ambiance of the retail and dining district. Hopefully, with public support, we'll avoid having to go through this scenario altogether.
Pretty landscaping in Mickey's playground, but no people or critical mass of retail along the busway.
In 1997 a new 3-mile busway loop known as the “LYMMO” was introduced to the streets of downtown Orlando. The LYMMO serves as a free downtown people mover or shuttle service running on a continuous loop throughout the central business district. For whatever reason, consultants continue to promote this system as what Adams could resemble if it became a transit mall. If you’re into landscaping, it serves as a very good case study of how to properly maintain public right-of-way. However, that’s something the land of Mickey Mouse is well known for. When it comes to Jacksonville and Adams Street, it’s Metro Jacksonville’s belief that downtown business owners and residents would rather see Adams filled with lofts, retail shops, sidewalk cafes and pedestrians, not pristine plant life. This line of thinking is also verified by the Downtown Master Plan. If this belief is true, then building a system like the LYMMO is something we need to avoid. Does it move shuttle buses around downtown, of course it does. Is it a catalyst in developing retail along it’s path. Apparently not, considering the majority of the route is lined with empty sidewalks, parking lots, and the back of buildings instead the retail scene starting to spring up on Adams Street and the Bay Street Town Center.
There is one major aspect JTA can apply downtown that the LYMMO does well. That is: put the word "FREE" on the front of the LYMMO type service that we already have in the core called the “Downtown Trolley”. Adding station shelters and route information, just as Orlando has done, would also be nice and shouldn't cost JTA or the taxpayers $15 to $20 million. Need proof? Use this link to learn more about the LYMMO and why it's a completely different animal from what transportation planners and consultants are trying to force downtown: http://www.cityoforlando.net/PLANNING/Transportation/transit.htm http://www.golynx.com/?pid=1155678
16th Street Mall – Denver, Co
If you ever get the chance to visit the City of Denver, the 16th Street Mall is a must see destination. It actually has buses and retail peacefully existing together, so it’s a natural case study for a transportation planner to push his or her agenda across. However, when it comes to the concept of urbanism, most consultants and planners become just as useful as a bus with no passengers. Believe it or not, there are several factors other than bus drivers and rubber tire trains that make these types of places successful.
In Denver’s case, the 16th Street Mall has always been downtown’s premier commercial district. It even had four major department stores already along the stretch when the transit mall concept was introduced in 1982. As we continue to peel back the layers of the 16th Street onion, it is also revealed that the mall is served by not one, but FIVE light rail lines and the downtown core is home to over 110,000 office workers, 6,670 hotel rooms, and 10,000 residents in a dense urban environment.
To cement the idea that this environment has nothing to do with Bus Rapid Transit, the buses serving the mall (called MallRide) are slow moving FREE shuttle buses that stop at each block, not the stream of diesel fume blowing city wide buses that would be potentially forced down Adams Street and the Bay Street Town Center. In other words, this system is comparable to our Downtown trolley buses, not bus rapid transit. Unlike others, we have nothing to hide, so feel free to use the link to verify the information provided here. http://www.rtd-denver.com/SpecialRides/MallShuttles/
Nicollet Mall – Minneapolis, Mn
This popular shopping district in downtown Minneapolis was one of the examples JTA consultants used to support their claim that transit malls help revitalize the core. While it’s easy to pluck pictures off the internet showing buses next to sidewalk cafes, you should at least learn the history of these urban shopping districts before making claims in public about urban development that can be easily shot down. To make a long story short, like Denver’s 16th Street mall, this shopping district was already in place before bus and taxi only traffic was introduced into the area. So to sum it up, buses aren’t the reason this district has remained a lively one. In fact, it has been in spite of the buses. The casual observer would be amazed to learn that most Minneapolis residents despise the continuous stream of bus traffic flowing down the center of the district. A June 2, 2006 Star Tribune article describes the transit mall as “Everyone’s favorite place to eat and inhale exhaust fumes. A simple google search turns up many local blogs, such as Mnspeak.com (http://www.mnspeak.com/mnspeak/archive/post-1871.cfm ) and wowflutter.com (http://www.wowflutter.com/2006/11/05/is-nicollet-mall-overrated/) with posts demanding the nasty non-pedestrian buses be removed from the pedestrian mall. According to Mayor R.T. Rybak’s Access Minneapolis presentation in November 2006, he mentioned that challenges facing the continued success of Nicollet include congestion of buses, and the noise and diesel fumes created by them. Suggested improvements include reducing bus traffic 40% during rush hour and every bus running down Nicollet to become a slow moving shuttle bus, as opposed to the bus highway that is being proposed locally. Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak’s power point presentation on downtown mass transit http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/mayor/docs/budget_2007_transportation_slides.pdf OTHER ISSUES DISCUSSED BRT vs. Rail
During the Urban CPAC meeting, planners kept pointing out that spending $15 to $20 million dollars on a downtown bus rapid transit system was much cheaper than building rail. However, as everyone knows, we already have a rail transit system downtown. The Skyway is 2.5 miles of one of the most expensive transit systems ever constructed in the United States per mile. Instead of ignoring the Skyway, the planning of this downtown bus rapid transit system should respect the fact that it exists and work to feed additional riders into it, instead of paralleling the line and decreasing ridership.
State & Union or Beaver Street as Alternative BRT Routes A second reason that was mentioned for the abandonment of State and Union Streets for BRT was that JTA could not get permission from the Florida DOT to close a lane of traffic for dedicated use by buses. State and Union Streets both have synchronized traffic lights and fast moving traffic. BRT could be run on these two roads, in their current state, without the need for dedicated lanes and still have faster travel times then using dedicated lanes through the core.
To help the casual observer understand Metro Jacksonville's alternative option, it was suggested that BRT buses stay on either State and Union (yellow) or Beaver Street (blue) before eventually crossing the Matthews Bridge. For those riders who desire to access the downtown core, only one stop should be provided on this east-west line at the existing FCCJ terminal. From that point, downtown riders would either take the skyway(red) or the free trolley buses to their downtown destinations. Riders heading out to the suburbs would then get to their destinations faster because there would not be multiple stops and circuitous routes being made in the downtown core. By using what we already have in place, not only do you save money, you also feed riders into the skyway instead of competing against it.
Competing Against the Skyway
During the presentation, it was mentioned that the planned downtown leg complements the skyway because it has FIVE direct connections with our "expensive and riderless" peoplemover system. That is precisely the problem. The Skyway is not a citywide system. It only has EIGHT stations in total. If the buses run parallel to most of the system and provide direct connections to five of the eight stations... why transfer, passenger will simply stay on the bus. This will not complement the skyway, it will compete with it. Why spend money we don't have to? Complementing the Skyway would involve a bus stop ONLY at the Skyway ENDPOINTS (ex. Kings Avenue, FCCJ and the Prime Osborn). By doing this, riders that are headed downtown need to transfer to our existing downtown peoplemover system already in place, or to the free downtown trolleys. Doing this means JTA will not have to spend upwards of $20 million on a downtown transit system that apparently nobody wants. Take that money saved, by using what's already in place, and purchase new signs, shelters, and directional information to help improve the existing bus system.
Metro Jacksonville Conclusion:
Transportation planners have no idea of what they are talking about and could really care less about alleviating the concerns of downtown residents and business owners, when it comes to the idea of transit malls, BRT and its impact on the core. What has been presented in the public workshops to date is a plan that is being pushed for the sole purpose of moving buses, not building a better community with an enhanced pedestrian environment. To save downtown from this huge mistake, contact the Mayor's office, the City Council, and the JEDC to express your concerns and ask for a resolution to make JTA take a step back and seriously consider the logical and affordable alternatives discussed here before "railroading" this thing through. Also included is the email address to JTA's Downtown Rapid Transit System (BRT) contact. Let JTA know how you feel about BRT being introduced to downtown. Time is running out! Copy and Paste: John Peyton < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >; Adam Hollingsworth < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >; Alan Mosley < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >; Ron Barton < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >; Paul Crawford < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >; Suzanne Jenkins < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >; Pat Lockett-Felder < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >; Ronnie Fussell < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >; Elaine Brown < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >; Winova Hart < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >; Suraya Teeple This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >'; document.write( '' ); document.write( addy_text87306 ); document.write( '<\/a>' ); //-->\n This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it
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April 6, 2007, 9:28 am
Interesting...
The JTA would have you believe that these transit malls work because of transit, and most people haven't been to these places to dispute that. This whole plan is crazy, but if they do go forward with it, at lease use State & Union - they're highways anyway.
April 6, 2007, 9:53 am
Planner
Orlando's Lymmo sucks...It has a limited range and is mostly used for taking people working in the downtown core to either Magic games or the courthouse. The City would be better served if the "Lymmo Only" lanes were eliminated and replaced with parallel parking. It is free, but it isnt worth waiting for the bus. In the time that you spend waiting for it, you can walk to the destination.
April 6, 2007, 2:21 pm
All Planners Not The Same
In the conclusion you state that "transportation planners have no idea of what they are talking about...."
I think you mean to say the "JTA transportation planners...."
Please don't lump us all into the same category!
April 6, 2007, 2:23 pm
Correction
even more...there are planners at JTA who also know what they are doing....this is only a select few
April 6, 2007, 3:44 pm
Everyone should do this right away ...
From: patrick
Date: 2007/04/06 Fri PM 03:46:13 EDT
To: , , , , , , , , , ,
Please reconsider the current, ghastly plan calling for the creation of a BRT
and Transit Malls. It could potentially ruin our still struggling but
genuinely developing downtown. Please do not burden our downtown with this
vast polluting waste of space, time and resources. It is as inane as it is
insane. There are better, cleaner and more enlightened alternatives that
simply call for a greater vision and less reactionary and orthodox thinking.
To all our recently elected officials: You were elected to lead on issues like
this. Now lead this city that you have won so handily. Be the leader on its
positive, proactive, enlightened development, not towards another throwback
plan that will have to be uncomfortably superimposed on the city obvious
needs. Lead in such way that you can integrate imaginative solutions that will
benefit the city and grow with it, not ones that will have to be discarded as
the city quickly outpaces this silly contraptions capacity, after the waste of
considerable time and expense. Lead because this is the wrong plan for this
city and we need your help. Lead because you promised you would.
Thank you,
April 6, 2007, 4:15 pm
Great letter
Keep them coming guys. Most of the city leaders do not even know about the plan at all.
April 7, 2007, 2:06 pm
Hello
Did I miss something, I thought the busses were going to stop at the north and south end of the skyway. I thought that was the reason that the property was purchased and the north end stop was developed. Otherwise the skyway becomes the worlds largest eclectic mobile sculpture. I thought we were trying to keep busses off downtown streets, one of the reasons we moved the central station to the north rather than continuing at Hemming Park.
April 8, 2007, 12:09 am
A waste
Build the BRT when we need it. We don't need it now.
April 9, 2007, 11:35 am
would this even be used?
I'm not one who spends a lot of time downtown, but the BRT plan leaves me wondering: will this really get used? Does anyone have statistics or know where I could get access to statistics to the current use of JTA services?
I went downtown on Saturday (my first time really exploring the downtown area) and I decided to take a ride on the Skyway. Now I realize this was a Saturday, but there was no one else waiting to ride it. On top of that, I tried 3 times to pay my $.35 fare and each time the change receptor failed to activate the turnstile so that I could go through. I ended up just hopping over the turnstile and then waited at Central to take the train to Kings Ave. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like the three stops after crossing the St. Johns (San Marco, Riverplace, Kings Ave) were really close together. The distance between San Marco and Kings Ave was reasonable, but I could see the Riverplace station from San Marco, which seemed ridiculous to me. It also struck me that, while we weren't going slow, we seemed like we could have been going faster, seeing as there is only one train going at a time.
Does anyone have any information on who planned the skyway? Is the bus system as poorly planned as the Skyway? Would it be a reasonable alternative to look into expanding the Skyway's area of service? I figure, the infrastructure is already in place, it wouldn't add congestion to the streets and it might help increase ridership along the existing lines.
April 10, 2007, 3:49 pm
TRANSIT MALL IS A GOOD THING IF DONE RIGHT
JTA we spell that LRT! Also Bus E-L-E-C-T-R-I-C or at least. Shake off the filth and fumes of the diesel bus fleet and move them to the ends of new Skyway, LRT and Commuter Rail. That being said, a TRANSIT MALL with LRT and TROLLEY BUS could REALLY remake the City. One can find the model for this in another port City of similar size, sprawl . PORTLAND OREGON, to visit a transit mall with people friendly environment check out: http://portlandmall.org/
Ocklawaha
April 16, 2007, 8:05 pm
Integrated core transportation
Thank you Robert Mann! YES, our city leaders need to focus on infrastructure that is in place and needs to be better utilized or expanded. Springfield and Riverside would welcome Trolley stops, and the new residents in both of those areas would use them. San Marco residents might, too, if the Trolley went down to San Marco Square.
Regarding Portland, Oregon, all interested in core transportation, retail and housing issues, as well as downtown revitalizations in general should read:
Intown Living: A Different American Dream by Ann Breen & Dick Rigby
This is a great analysis of other cities in the U.S. that are further along the path of revitalization and how a forward-thinking, proactive leadership, smart planning and committed private sector worked together to revitalize their downtowns and downtown neighborhoods.
That's right, the core downtowns didn't come up by themselves, and neither did the neighborhoods surrounding them -- they succeeded because they were linked through smart, integrated transportation, retail and development.
The other thing JTA is ignoring is the BUS STIGMA. They need to accept that anyone who doesn't have to ride a bus, WON'T ride a bus. I think most suburbanites and the office population would use non-bus transportation when in the core (trolleys, ferries, skyway), and downtown neighborhood residents would use other public transportation to get to the core.
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