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Salvaging The Big Idea II: Preserving Friendship Fountain Print E-mail
Monday, 02 April 2007

Last week we shared an affordable solution that involved finding a suitable location for the Mayor's "Flex Space" needs, without being forced to relocate Kids Kampus or destroy Friendship Fountain in the process.  Today we take a look at what can be done to bring life back to the Southbank, by working with what's already in place.

The Main Street Bridge 

Last year, the Big Idea included closing a lane off of the Main Street Bridge and replacing it with wider sidewalks for pedestrians and hot dog carts.  The belief was that people would be attracted to a wider sidewalk and eventually it could be a scene similar to the Super Bowl a few years ago.  However, the fatal flaw in that concept is that wide sidewalks don't attract people.  If we really want to strengthen the connection between both banks of the river, we have to give them a reason to want to cross in the first place.  While the Northbank has a mix of pedestrian friendly uses, the Southbank still resembles a vertical office park, void of pedestrian activity or a mix of destinations needed to draw people on a regular basis. 

 

Museum Park as the focus, not Friendship Fountain


The idea of working within the existing context is a major difference between suburban and urban land planning.  Looking at Museum Park a few things immediately standout.  The Fountain is a poorly maintained local landmark and the park grounds are a shell of their former self.  However, there are attractions already in place such as MOSH, the Maritime Museum, River City Brewing, and the marina.  Instead of recreating the wheel, let's focus on things that can further connect the uses of these attractions together, with the goal of creating urban synergy between them.

 

Before Moving Forward, recognize your history 

Look familiar?  Most probably have never seen this graphic, but believe it or not, it's the original Southbank Riverwalk Master Plan for Friendship Fountain and the surrounding park area.  It shows a public space with the fountain as a central focal point surrounding by a mix of uses, including an amphitheatre, green space, a ship museum and an aquarium.  Looking back, that's a pretty solid plan for an urban square and it's cultural uses complement the retail oriented Landing.  Why deviate from the original concept?

 

The Reality of Planning

While we all can come up with grand visions, we have to keep in mind, we live in the real world.  In the real world, in addition to available funding there are always existing factors in place that affect design.  As an Urban Planner, you can chose to work within the existing urban context or outright ignore everything in your path (including the city's history) and spend additional millions to create your personal vision, that may or may not work.  In Jacksonville, we've traditionally followed the second path which has netted us more failures, than successes.  For a change, let's try the alternative method of working with what we have.

A few in few factors at play involving the park area:

1. The Maritime Museum is in desperate need of new space.  Museum officials would like to fund the construction of a larger maritime facility on city owned waterfront property.  To date, public officials have ignored those concerns.

2. River City Brewing's 99 year lease.  The original Big Idea called for buying River City Brewing out of their LONG TERM lease and eventually constructing a fishing village themed retail center in it's place.  The negative side of this is we already have one retail center that has historically struggled for retailers (The Landing) and buying River City Brewing out is an expensive proposition.

3. MOSH's layout.  Quite simply, the Museum of Science and History completely turns it's back to this public space instead of embracing it.

4. Friendship Fountain's pumps.  It's no secret that the fountain is in pretty bad shape.  In fact, it's estimated that it will cost the city $850,000 to replace the fountain's pumps.  Nevertheless, it's one of Jacksonville's few well known urban landmarks.  It's a local icon that should be saved if possible.

With that being said, here are a few suggestions for turning the park's vibe around for the better without mortgaging city hall.

 

Affordable Solutions

1. Replace the fountain's pumps

No matter what your opinion is of the fountain, its a local landmark and a dominant visual icon, when working.  If you believe spending $850,000 is too much to replace the pumps, then how can you make the argument to spend upwards of $8 million ($4 million to build, plus $4.7 million lost creating Kids Kampus five years ago) to relocate Kids Kampus to the site and replace the fountain with a kiddie pool?  Furthermore, keep in mind, the fountain is an accessory.  A well designed urban public space needs several things to attract diverse amounts of crowds on a daily basis.

 

2. Work with the Maritime Society

This city was built on the maritime industry and the mighty St. Johns River.  Why would we not want to promote this as a unique theme for this city?  The maritime museum is something that can complement MOSH just as much as a "kid's zone".  Its clear this group has serious expansion needs.  Let's help them out by allowing under utilized space in this park to be used for a larger maritime facility with a focus on interactive exhibits.  Not only would we have a educational facility attractive to all races, cultures and age groups, it would also promote this region's history.

 

This green area, which serves partially as a parking lot, could be a suitable site for a new enlarged maritime museum.

 

3. Abandon the idea of buying out River City Brewing

Let's keep our budget and schedule in mind.  Its great to have long term visions, but what's the point if we don't ever implement the short term ones first.  River City Brewing is an asset to the area, let's keep them in place and rework the park grounds to make a stronger connection between the restaurant, the fountain, park, and the two museums.

 

4. Reconfigure MOSH's entrance

Without a doubt, MOSH continues to attract large crowds on a regular basis.  In this view, notice the glass area on MOSH's facade.  On the inside, that space serves as a indoor children's play area near the facility's main entrance, which faces Riverplace Drive.  Let's coordinate with MOSH to flip flop the main entrance and indoor play area.  Having MOSH's main entry point opening up into the park would introduce thousands of visitors during the year, who might otherwise completely avoid the space.

 

While completely floating Kids Kampus down river to this site may be a bit overboard, the fountain area will be attractive space for families, school field trips, and children.  A full blown "Kid's Zone" may not be needed, but a tot lot or two would not hurt.  If we "must" have a kiddie interactive fountain, there is enough land for one here, without eliminating the local landmark.

 

5. Add additional Greenspace

The original Dallas Thomas Park layout died a long time ago.  All that is left today is the fountain (which is on life support) and an abundance of concrete.  For all those in favor of having open green space on the riverfront, here's your chance.  Here's the opportunity to implement a piece of the old master plan, by converting this area into an open lawn.

 

In conclusion, by focusing on using the park as a central gathering space and front door for the maritime museum, MOSH, and River City Brewing, we can convert this entire area into a public place that attracts diverse crowds on a regular basis.  Considering people attract people and that cultural oriented uses would complement the retail/entertainment uses across the river, you will then see that pedestrians will begin to take advantage of crossing the Main Street Bridge on foot.

Best of all, this can all be easily done for a fraction of the cost than it would to relocate Kids Kampus to the site, as well as save a local landmark from destruction.

Salvaging The Big Idea I: Kids Kampus & Flex Space: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/content/view/379/79/

 

 
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>> 16 Comments
The E
April 2, 2007, 8:25 am
parking

nice, but where is the parking?
dj
April 2, 2007, 8:42 am
parking schmarking

Ride the Skyway, its a block away from this destination point.  I do it all the time when I go to the RCBC for lunch.
thelakelander
April 2, 2007, 8:52 am
Parking?

The better question is where isn't the parking.  You have multiple ways to access this site if you arrive by vehicle.  There's parallel parking on Riverplace Drive, a huge surface lot in front of River City Brewing and a parking lot for MOSH between the building and the Main Street Bridge.  There's also a large number of lots and garages east of the Main Street Bridge.  Furthermore, as DJ said, the skyway is only one block away and it links you with several garages and surface lots on both banks.
JJ
April 2, 2007, 10:56 am
Nicest swimming pool in town.

Ever seen the seagulls chillin in Friendship Fountain? They look  like they are having a good ol time.
Pavers
April 2, 2007, 11:07 am
Who's on the board of MetroJacksonville.com, out of curiosity?

Off topic, but I'm new to reading the site.  Who are the board members and/or chief contributors to this site, and what are their affiliations and backgrounds?

An "about us" link on the site would be helpful, FYI.  It would be nice to know more about who's behind the site.
Osborn
April 2, 2007, 12:43 pm
Read the paper

Pavers, did you not read the sunday paper?
Hot Daddy
April 2, 2007, 1:23 pm
C'mon you guys...

Get real. This is such a waste of web space.  All you guys ever do is present solutions to problems.  Where is the outrage and personal scorn for our publicly elected officials?!?  Don't you know that your "problem solving skills" are useless?  Where is your criticism???
Pavers
April 2, 2007, 2:05 pm
Yes, Osborn, I read the paper...

And only two of five board members are mentioned - members Conner and Dare.  I was curious to learn who the other three are.

And I'd like to know more about Conner and Dare (and the other members)  beyond their profession, frankly.  How long have they been in Jacksonville?  Do they live in downtown?  What did they do before owning Boomtown or their respective downtown businesses (if they have one)?  Do they have families?  It would give me (and I would suspect other readers too) greater perspective on the opinions and suggestions offered on this board.  Not that it makes his thoughts less relevant, but I found it interesting that member Conner doesn't live or have a business in downtown (neither do I, yet).

For someone like member Dare, their thoughts do create greater "oomph" with me as he has invested his capital and sweat equity in building a business downtown.  His boots on literally on the street  everyday, and his observations (along with those of other small business owners) are particularly intriguing.

As the saying goes, where you stand depends on where you sit.  More background, please!  
stephendare
April 2, 2007, 2:23 pm
sure.

Three of us have investments in the downtown or core neighborhoods.  Lakelander is building a pretty cool housing  unit in Springfield, Dan owns a house there.  Dan and I actually work downtown, and Kevin Conner has invested over in the brooklyn and laVilla neighborhood.

ItSteve and his fiancee are in the process of purchasing a home downtown.

Of all of us, I am the downtown oldtimer, having opened my first downtown business in 1987, a lifestyle magazine located at the old Arcade/Center Theatre on Adams Street.  I lived there for a year, then on the top floors of the Schulz building for a year.

In 1989 I opened my much more successful business, Dare Tabloid, on Duval Street, a block from Hemming Park, where I also lived until I moved with a group of friends to the Five Points district and we opened up all the alternative shops in 1991.  My own contribution was a gallery/coffeehouse/ and a retro 80s performance venue.  They were called Fusion Cafe and Oppenheimer's Kit Kat Club.

After Five Points, I travelled a bit, and ended up in a law firm in the Midwest before returning home.
I returned to the same space in 1999 (at ten times the rent) and opened up a art gallery loft space called 'The Loft" in the local press.

The Building was naturally dynamited by the city in order to build the parking garage for the new library, and I moved to Springfield where we opened Boomtown Theatre, Eden Jazz club, and a series of art studio spaces called The Carter.  I served for a while on the SPAR board as the neighborhood Art Series director and organized the historical survey of the neighborhood (photographing the entire housing stock in the neighborhood in 6 hours with the University of North Florida)

About a year and a half ago, the prices on leases got totally unrealistic on Main Street, and it was cheaper for us to move back downtown.

We bought out a group called Improv Jacksonville and moved back into Hemming Park, which has been my home for most of the past 20 years.  (In which I am its only resident to have actually had a roof over my head in most of that time)
stephendare
April 2, 2007, 2:25 pm
by the way, thanks for the interest!

It would be nice if more people paid attention to the actual business operators trying to make it in the downtown.  We would have been a lot further along if wed had more input and less consultants.
thelakelander
April 2, 2007, 2:39 pm
Metro Jacksonville board

While I won't come out and give you our social security numbers, personal residential addresses or the names of kids and spouses, I'll shed some light about the group, while our "About US" section is being developed.  

We are about as diverse as it gets in this town.  We come from different cultural backgrounds and have varying lifestyles, but what ties us together is our passion to see the inner core return to being an economically vibrant center once again.  Two of the five board members are long time Jacksonville natives and the other three have relocated to Jacksonville within the past few years, bringing with them the knowledge and experience of how many of the things we deal with locally today, that have been solved in other regions.

Four of the five members are financially invested in the core. Between us, you have one who operates a popular restaurant, another developing active projects and another who owns investment property there. Two of the five members live and work in the core and another is in the process of moving there. So I'd say the board's passion and impact run a lot deeper than most who read the TU article would think.

While the site definately has it's enemies, and a member or two step on people's toes, the group is doing a lot more than 90% of the arm chair critics in town.

If the others want to chime in and tell you a little about themselves, I'll give them that opportunity.  As for me, I'm black and my educational background is Architecture with a heavy emphasis on urbanism.  I've been a permanent resident in Jax for three years and I'm currently a land planner for a local design firm.  While I don't personally live in the core (would love to, but haven't found the right opportunity yet), I'm invested financially in it with a couple of developments in the works.

If you want to find out more about us, feel free to stop by Boomtown (a restauarant in downtown) any Tuesday night at 6pm.  We're there every week and would love to meet.
Steve
April 2, 2007, 2:47 pm
I think the guys above answered most of the questions, but I'll chime in as well

I've lived in the Jacksonville area since 1994 and have been interested in downtown development since 2001, and have been with Metro Jacksonville since the group's inception.  I currently own a townhome in the burbs (Intracostal area) which is on the market.  Once it is sold, I will be purchasing a residence downtown with my fiance.  I hope to have this done before the summer (but we shall see, given the relatively slow real estate market).

Like lakelander said, we meet every Tuesday night at 6 - feel free to come by.
Pavers
April 2, 2007, 4:10 pm
Appreciate

I appreciate the above the background posts.  And the invite to Boomtown on Tuesday night.  Assuming my work cooperates, I'll see you there.  Look forward to meeting y'all!
Broderick
April 2, 2007, 5:01 pm
Kevin Conner (et al)

I personally think MetroJacksonville is becoming a major voice here.  While there is criticism, I'd like to thank Kevin for putting the heat to the officials!!!!  I think you guys are doing a GREAT job. I read MetroJacksonville everyday and am getting more and more involved (as a Riverside resident) as a result of all the information I get here that I otherwise wouldn't hear about.

Keep it up!
Richard Bowers
April 4, 2007, 2:56 pm
So what

I think it is great that there is a web site with as many contributors as this one has. I like their thoughts on the southbank except that the site for future expansion is where people park and not sure that should be included as for future expansion. I have been around this town since 1971 and have seen a lot of changes, (actually grew up here but did not come back until 71 to work for Tanzler and Hester, did not want to come back because it was too hot here and the city stank and there were no hills!!). In the years since them, I have had the opportunity to participate in some of the changes, and there have been some efforts with which I did not agree. Sites like this though, deepen the dialogue, and provide input and provoke thought, which is great for the whole city.  After having lived in Chicago , Atlanta, and Louisville, all of which are very progressive and have thriving downtowns as well as thriving suburbs, it is nice to see this kind of conversation in Jacksonville.  I think constructive criticism of elected or appointed officials is healthy. I don't like it when it becomes personal. I think people can disagree without being disagreeable. There are no absolute right ways to do things in an urban enviroment, one has to make decisions with the best information on hand. Unfortunately when you are an official, while you would like to act only on facts, you have to accept that for some of the population, perception even false perception or false information can become fact. Public Decision making is the art of compromise. I wish anyone who wants to take part in that arena my best. It is difficult, no one ever compliments you or says thank you, and in the end, you make a lot of enemies from people who disagree with your decision making.
Whether someone has been in town a week or forever is irrelevant, they have a right to participate in the dialogue.
Johnny
April 11, 2007, 11:59 pm
balance

Simple solution. Let developers develop a high density area (as shown in yellow above). Propose a decent (and custom) tax on the revenue income of that development to slowly offset the city's initial total cost of fixing the fountian (perhaps asking for a certain % of development cost up front to help the city). Over time the the fountian would be paid off by the revenue of the development. Its not a novel concept, there are many other PARKS THAT PAY FOR THEMSELVES programs that work wonderfully, just look into the matter, although its a little cutting edge for a city so eager to spur quick gain such as Jacksonville to understand.
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