| Get ready to catch the Billion Dollar Bus |
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| Friday, 02 February 2007 | |
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Are you ready to take a potential billion dollar bus ride, 30 years from now, that will be able to whisk you from downtown to Gateway Mall, via I-95 or blow down Bay Street at 40 miles an hour? Today Metro Jacksonville shares a few diagrams of what our potential RTS will resemble when our grandkids are old enough to drive.
CONCEPTUAL DESIGN GRAPHICS
Some may wonder, how can a bus system cost so much to construct and take a generation to build. Quite simple actually. Although parts of the system will be integrated with regular vehicular traffic, meaning it's not really "rapid transit", the majority of right-of-way has to be purchased, then the actual highway for buses constructed on top of it. Certain sections, such as the SE line near I-95 and JTB, will be elevated just like the Skyway Express. That will take a lot of concrete, steel, and asphalt; materials that are not cheap. Just ask the Mayor about the sandbox known as the courthouse site.
This graphic illustrates what Phillips Highway could look like when everything is said and done. As stated earlier, parts of BRT will run on the same streets as cars. Nobody will doubt that bus only lanes will improve our transit times, but it's also important to remember that when highways clog up, there's a good chance the buses will get caught up in the mix. In several cities, mass transit routes are planned to be integrated with potential transit oriented development sites and within walking distance of high density neighborhoods. According to a recent transit study in Denver in which the successes and failures of their routes over the past 10 years were discussed, it was noted that locating routes along expressways was a bad idea. It is also common knowledge in the transit world that most residents are only willing to walk 10 minutes to reach a transit stop and if there's no destination nearby, ridership will be non-existent. Unless something changes our BRT routes and station locations, we'll do what other cities now attempt to avoid. Someone should ask the question, "When I get dropped off at the off-ramp of I-95 and MLK Parkway, where do I go?". After all, there's only so many activities you can partake in after getting dropped of at the BP station on the corner of Phillips and Emerson.
BRT and Downtown
Ottawa is known to be the home of the most successful BRT system in the Americas. Many of the ideas and concepts our plan incorporates comes directly from the layout of this Canadian system. The above pictures show Ottawa's BRT lines running through downtown streets. These images should give you a good idea of what's in store for our central business district.
This aerial illustrates the path of the north/south BRT route in red. BRT stations are represented by white circles. One interesting thing that pops out in this graphic is how the proposed route makes the entire Southbank segment of the Skyway extraneous because it parallels the line, as well as provides stops within close proximity of Skyway stations.
This image illustrates the East/West downtown route. This configuration will have BRT buses running through the core along Bay and Forsyth Streets. To accommodate bus lanes, plans include eliminating parallel parking along these streets, clearing a path for buses to speed through downtown on their way to Arlington. Once again, its interesting to note how the line makes the Skyway's convention center leg just as useless as the Southbank portion. For those into demolition, this system won't leave you hanging. Although JTA has plans for a massive transportation center 3 blocks to the west in LaVilla, BRT will have its own terminal where two large historic brick buildings now stand. Wonder what the Jacksonville Historical Society has to think about this?
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February 2, 2007, 9:35 am
Are they serious?
May as well expand on the skyway if we're going to spend that kind of money. For a billion dollars, couldn't we at least get something that goes to the airport?
February 2, 2007, 10:21 am
We could likely get a 29 mile skyway system that runs the same path of the proposed BRT system. If we have a billion dollars to blow, why not take that route intstead?
February 2, 2007, 10:46 am
This BRT system just doesn't seem like much bang for the buck.
February 2, 2007, 11:25 am
Skyway would actually be cheaper!
A new monorail was built in Indiana for $14 million per mile. This BRT nonsense will cost $34 million per mile!!
February 2, 2007, 3:44 pm
Can we have something like what happened with Cecil Feild going to the Navy? Put all the facts out to the public and let us decide by popular vote what we would like, BRT or commuter rail, the answer of course would be commuter rail. Something has to be done to stop this, there has to be something at our disposal, it is our money after all!
February 2, 2007, 6:14 pm
Re-run of Cecil Field
Yeah. Great idea. Is it possible for the city to vote on how they want thier tax dollars spent? Mr.Mayor, I hope you're reading this: YOUR PLAN SUCKS! IT STINKS! IT REEKS! I HATE IT! IT IS EVERYTHING I LOATHE! and I don't want my hard earned tax dollars spent on this crap. If I want to blow $1Billion dollars, I'll do it at a tittie bar (excuse my French)
February 2, 2007, 6:19 pm
Initiative
Who did the initiative for the Cecil Field issue?
February 2, 2007, 8:16 pm
For Sale
Luckily I have the freedom to live in the city of my choosing because my home in Springfield will be up for sale the second this project happens.
February 4, 2007, 2:17 pm
What is wrong with our leadership?
I am writing the Mayor this is CRAZY!! They can't do this to our city.
February 4, 2007, 9:56 pm
Don't worry
Don't worry, they won't do it. When the first seed money is gone, the project will be forgotten.
February 5, 2007, 3:39 pm
22' above ground?
The busses will be elevated 22' up? What happens if a bus driver has a heart attack? They flip off the bridge, killing everyone on the bus and the cars they land on? That's a great concept. Heck by 2025, we'll probably have a new transportation system and Jacksonville will still be building an outdated bus system. Our leaders suck!
February 5, 2007, 7:53 pm
Successful transit mall
There is a case for success when it comes to a transit mall. Nicollet Mall in Minneapolis successfully combines BRT, retail, pedestrians and car traffic. One thing Nicollet Mall has going for it is massive amounts of retail and restaurants in the 11 block stretch. Two department stores, 5 restaurants, three urban malls (City Center and Gavide), big box retail like Target and Gap, plus major businesses like the corporate headquarters of Target and US Bank.
This would be quite a stretch for Jacksonville to pull off. It is also quite possible that the process of a converting Adams Street to a transit mall could effectively kill one of the most lively streets in downtown.
An alternative option being tossed around shifts BRT over to Adams Street, which would then be closed off to regular traffic to serve as a BRT transit mall, an idea the effectively killed off most american city's downtown retail base back in the 1970s and 1980s.
February 5, 2007, 8:14 pm
Transit malls don't work without density
Plain and simple. Across the US there are hundreds of downtown transit malls that have failed compared to the few that succeeded. The one thing all the successful ones had was urban density, in terms of nearby population base and building stock. Downtown Jacksonville has neither. It's critical that those in charge of planning in this city, see and visualize the whole picture before jumping on an idea that on the surface looks great, but has actually been proven to be a sinking ship.
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