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Springfield's Popular Main Street Cruise

Photographer and car enthusiast Marcelo Murillo captures Springfield's popular Main Street Cruise.

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50 Comments

Noone

November 02, 2013, 05:31:06 AM
Beautiful pictures. What a positive event for the city and region. When is the next one?

Keith-N-Jax

November 02, 2013, 05:35:51 AM
Nice.

MarceloM

November 02, 2013, 07:39:48 AM
This event runs on the 4th Saturday of every month from 5 pm to 9 pm

Noone

November 02, 2013, 07:50:52 AM
Thanks. Welcome to the forum. How would you like to bring your camera and sit in the front of a kayak and capture Downtown and Hogans Creek?

sheclown

November 02, 2013, 08:14:44 AM
Great photos.  You really captured the event well. 

MarceloM

November 02, 2013, 09:21:22 AM
Noone, would you message me at automotiveshutter@gmail.com with more details :)

Noone

November 02, 2013, 09:38:22 AM
^Done

DDC

November 02, 2013, 12:11:37 PM
What a great photo essay.

I look forward to every event, to see all the people and cars. Living on E10th St, I usually just walk down to Main St with my beach chairs over my shoulder and walk, look, meet people, talk about Springfield to other residents, former residents, and hopefully future residents.

This one single event has done as much for Springfield as anything else that has been tried. And again, great job on the photos.

Lunican

November 02, 2013, 12:14:16 PM
Nice photos.

02roadking

June 11, 2014, 04:12:04 PM
Well, it seems our great city wants to fleece the organizers of the Cruise with a special events permit. John just wants to call it quits. I'd hold it anyway, F'em.

Lunican

June 11, 2014, 04:59:52 PM
What would a permit be for exactly?

DDC

June 11, 2014, 09:04:45 PM
This month with the Great Race coming down Main Street during the cruise, the band Second Shot would be performing along with special guests guests, original band members from Molly Hatchet. John was trying to secure a stage from the city for the band to play on. This is when things went down hill. Now they want insurance and permits.

AuditoreEnterprise

June 11, 2014, 09:42:24 PM
This month with the Great Race coming down Main Street during the cruise, the band Second Shot would be performing along with special guests guests, original band members from Molly Hatchet. John was trying to secure a stage from the city for the band to play on. This is when things went down hill. Now they want insurance and permits.

now it makes a bit more sense

AuditoreEnterprise

June 11, 2014, 09:59:35 PM
It sounds more like a stipulation to cover their butts in case something happens on the stage. I would probably do the same if I was footing the bill for the stage.

I think the best option may be to get with other parties about collectively renting the stage privately instead of including the city. Like I stated in the other thread best coarse of action is to get with businesses to blanket the insurance if that's required. I don't mind gathering partners and funding to pitch in, but people throwing their hands up and quitting is not the right answer. Just my honest opinion.

IrvAdams

June 11, 2014, 10:34:19 PM
It sounds more like a stipulation to cover their butts in case something happens on the stage. I would probably do the same if I was footing the bill for the stage.

I think the best option may be to get with other parties about collectively renting the stage privately instead of including the city. Like I stated in the other thread best coarse of action is to get with businesses to blanket the insurance if that's required. I don't mind gathering partners and funding to pitch in, but people throwing their hands up and quitting is not the right answer. Just my honest opinion.

Yes, he's right. This is a popular event that many people look forward to seeing. I'm sure it's just a matter of money and labor. If you need financial assistance or support staff or volunteers then you can reach out, I'm sure people would be pleased to help. This is how events grow and become a regional attraction.

As AuditoreEnterprise said, don't quit.

AuditoreEnterprise

June 11, 2014, 11:06:10 PM
It sounds more like a stipulation to cover their butts in case something happens on the stage. I would probably do the same if I was footing the bill for the stage.

I think the best option may be to get with other parties about collectively renting the stage privately instead of including the city. Like I stated in the other thread best coarse of action is to get with businesses to blanket the insurance if that's required. I don't mind gathering partners and funding to pitch in, but people throwing their hands up and quitting is not the right answer. Just my honest opinion.

+1000 Irv.

The problem per say is people tend to not want to take on partners as it makes them lose complete limelight. May be a pride thing, but for something that I have heard nearly every resident of springfield brag about.... I think it may be time to form a few partners and keep this one going... To just say screw it... screw jacksonville we will go somewhere else is a slap in the face to the residents that support and want this event to work... Like I said before I do work with investors and I do have the means to help with events... However a lot of people aren;t gonna walk up and say here you go take this... You have to form those connections yourself by reaching out to people! SAVE THE CRUISE!!!!

Yes, he's right. This is a popular event that many people look forward to seeing. I'm sure it's just a matter of money and labor. If you need financial assistance or support staff or volunteers then you can reach out, I'm sure people would be pleased to help. This is how events grow and become a regional attraction.

As AuditoreEnterprise said, don't quit.

DDC

June 12, 2014, 07:10:47 AM
Here is a little bit of perspective from Johns POV, He posted this in the last hour.

"I've been asked to explain what has happened:
The city has several stages that they rent out. The only problem is that it's a nightmare trying to get one for the average person. The biggest problem is that when you place the application and post the insurance they won't give you an answer if you are lacking anything. Last year when we rented the stage for the BIG ENGINE show, we were right up to the last day trying to find out if they were going to let us have the stage. Others who have rented these stages have told the same story. One told me they laid some new crap on her 3 hours before the stage was supposed to be delivered and she was jumping through her butt trying to satisfy them. There continue to be new requirements ALL the time.
You can't put on a show like this. How can you plan anything if you don't know if you have a stage?
This year I was not going to let this happen again. I started out well in advance and reserved one of the stages and filed the application and was told that it was reserved for us. The Krystal Company sent them an insurance certificate for a 25 million dollar liability policy. In the weeks since then I have repeatedly called Ron Bruton (255-8765) to find out if there was anything else they needed and if we were approved for the stage. The answer I got EVERY time was, don't know, don't know, don't know!!!! On this past Monday I got the same answer. I was very frustrated and told him that I would not wait until the LAST DAY to find out if I had the stage or not. He interpreted that as me cancelling the reservation on the stage and gave it to someone else. My intent was to start calling "up the line" to see if I could find anyone who knew anything since Ron Bruton obviously did not. I talked to the assistant to the new head of Parks and Recreation and was told that I because I had cancelled my reservation our stage had already been given to someone else and it was irreversible. Mind you this was only one day. When I couldn't get anywhere with her I went to the Mayor's office and got nothing but a bunch of "deer in the headlights" BS.
Later that afternoon I got a call and began getting emails from Laurie Mills in the SPECIAL EVENTS office telling me that we needed a SPECIAL EVENTS permit for not just the band but for the entire Cruise from now on. If you have more than 500 people they want this permit. I tried to explain to her that this is a spread out thing and there are never 500 people in one location. She didn't want to hear this. She said that the city will shut it down and we could be fined.
The SPECIAL EVENT permit they are asking for is impossible for us to get. We don't charge anybody anything for the Cruise. The City wants us to provide General Liability Insurance, Workman's comp insurance, payment for police, and other things like portolets. We have no money for all of this!!! I don't know where they think all this money would come from. Several of the businesses have pitched in for this big cruise so that we could rent the stage and hire the band and so on, but this is one big show for the summer. I can't spend these peoples money and have the city shut it down.
I also tried to explain that the reason the cruise was expected to be big this month is that the GREAT RACE is coming through. They knew NOTHING about that. I told them to check with VISIT JACKSONVILLE since they were the ones who were promoting it.
When you talk to these people it's like talking to the wall.
The city spends millions of dollars of YOUR tax money to bring people downtown for ONE event. We have brought people into the downtown area Every month for 2 years and not asked the the city for one dime.
As I said the other day, my friend Ken Hamilton has been right all along. If it ain't football or golf the city could care less. There is a huge motorsport community in this town, but they don't matter. FOOTBALL OR GOLF!! That's the ticket!!!
How much did the new mega TV screen at the stadium cost US!!!!
Let me also add that when you talk about "THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE", you are really talking about our elected officials. So, if you are not happy about the way all of this has come down, then go and vote and get rid of the dead wood!!!!!"

strider

June 12, 2014, 07:24:34 AM
I'm not sure where the "it makes them lose complete limelight. May be a pride thing"  came from, but as far as I know John has done this pretty unselfishly and has not promoted anything of his with it.  Many out here have indeed helped both physically and financially without grabbing any limelight. Of course, many others have been asked to help in some way and have not bothered to help even when it would also help themselves.  Regardless of that, I do know people are stepping up to help John save the Cruise.

The best thing about the Cruise is it actually costs the City nothing. And yet it brings people to Main Street and those people spend their money here. This months Cruise in conjunction with the Great Race puts that money spending all the way to the River. One would think the City would come on board with it and help rather than hinder as much as possible.

DDC posted Johns comments above as I was writing this.  This situation is far worse than I thought.  A city employee seems to be able to interpret the frustration of not getting an answer as canceling an event and giving the stage to someone else? If they could give the stage to someone else that same day, why could John not get an answer? Sorry, sounds like they were looking for a reason to give it to someone else all along.

The Mayor's office has been taking hits lately.  Perhaps they need to do something positive for a change and work this out.


Bridges

June 12, 2014, 07:58:28 AM
DDC posted Johns comments above as I was writing this.  This situation is far worse than I thought.  A city employee seems to be able to interpret the frustration of not getting an answer as canceling an event and giving the stage to someone else? If they could give the stage to someone else that same day, why could John not get an answer? Sorry, sounds like they were looking for a reason to give it to someone else all along.

Sounds more like typical power tripping in COJ.  I bet that stage is still there, we just need to raise hell for it. 

I think a couple commenters above are way off here.  John has put the main street cruise on for free, with his own time, and what I would say, is zero "limelight" seeking.  Most people don't even know who puts the event together. 

But the big picture is that this isn't how it should be.  We have COJ stopping and impeding small businesses, stopping and impeding home grown events, stifling innovators and creators, destroying parks to save them, crushing competition for special businesses, and then looking for that one trick pony that will save downtown. 

MusicMan

June 12, 2014, 08:12:09 AM
The Main Street Cruise is one of the best things to happen in Springfield in the last few years. Most other places

the city leadership would embrace it and support it. Not here.

fieldafm

June 12, 2014, 08:16:27 AM
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But the big picture is that this isn't how it should be.  We have COJ stopping and impeding small businesses, stopping and impeding home grown events, stifling innovators and creators, destroying parks to save them, crushing competition for special businesses, and then looking for that one trick pony that will save downtown. 

What's even better, is that when you do apply for a special events permit they do things like:
a) forget to issue you a permit
b) change their requirements COMPLETELY on the fly and without explanation (example: Your insurance has been accepted as-is for an event the week prior.. but this week-often the day before the event, you need 8 additional items that you didn't need 8 days prior. How does that make sense?)
c) try to shut you down in the middle of an event, even though you've given them your paperwork and they've given you the greenlight and issued you a permit.
d) they generally bully you around while giving you an attitude of complete and utter contempt
e) deny certain vendors, even though COJ themselves have used those very same vendors at COJ-sponsored events... all while raising money for a park that they themselves can't afford to maintain.

The current operations of COJ Special Events hurts our community, bottom line.
I've been saying this for a couple of years, and get scorned by some for 'complianing too much'. Well, this is just yet another of the countless examples where the people in our town are being bullied by incompetent fools.

Tacachale

June 12, 2014, 08:59:10 AM
^Yeah, this has gotten ridiculous. It sucks that the news isn't covering any of this.

IrvAdams

June 12, 2014, 09:14:28 AM
^ I have a feeling they will soon. Sooner the better.

Non-RedNeck Westsider

June 12, 2014, 09:31:46 AM
Just going to throw this out there, and no, I have no insight or inside info to back the claim, but since when have we let a lack of factual information stop us from posting....

Could the federal audit on Kim Scott and her department, started because of a group of Springfielders trying to better their neighborhood, have anything to do with the 'all-of-a-sudden' permitting requirements for The Cruise, which also happens to better Springfield?

I wonder if they're bright enough to NOT use their city council email addresses to relay the info?

 ???

IrvAdams

June 12, 2014, 09:45:08 AM
Just going to throw this out there, and no, I have no insight or inside info to back the claim, but since when have we let a lack of factual information stop us from posting....

Could the federal audit on Kim Scott and her department, started because of a group of Springfielders trying to better their neighborhood, have anything to do with the 'all-of-a-sudden' permitting requirements for The Cruise, which also happens to better Springfield?

I wonder if they're bright enough to NOT use their city council email addresses to relay the info?

 ???

OMG. Battling our own City? Don't they live here too? It's just so crazy they would want to harm an existing project for any reason.

I'm sending emails to anyone I can. Someone should listen.

AuditoreEnterprise

June 12, 2014, 11:53:29 AM
DDC posted Johns comments above as I was writing this.  This situation is far worse than I thought.  A city employee seems to be able to interpret the frustration of not getting an answer as canceling an event and giving the stage to someone else? If they could give the stage to someone else that same day, why could John not get an answer? Sorry, sounds like they were looking for a reason to give it to someone else all along.

Sounds more like typical power tripping in COJ.  I bet that stage is still there, we just need to raise hell for it. 

I think a couple commenters above are way off here.  John has put the main street cruise on for free, with his own time, and what I would say, is zero "limelight" seeking.  Most people don't even know who puts the event together. 

But the big picture is that this isn't how it should be.  We have COJ stopping and impeding small businesses, stopping and impeding home grown events, stifling innovators and creators, destroying parks to save them, crushing competition for special businesses, and then looking for that one trick pony that will save downtown.

Doesn't change the fact that people are offering to help keep it for the community... my inbox has zero messages and my phone rang zero times today. That being said and moving forward... frankly screw the city and their stage... don't elude the fact he is completely pulling the plug on the cruise altogether as well as stated he is gonna do it in another city... come on why take one of the bragging points of Springfield away. I'll be blunt... if he walks away someone else will step up and do another one. Like i said before I'll help all I can but I'm not gonna hunt anyone down over it. Seek out those willing to help or drown in your own pride.

There are ways around the city, and there's less love for quiters in my books than I can convey.... preservation sos never quit... they fought the city on a number of things.... Annie lytle preservation group never gave up and look where they are. Diane and other people never gave up and look how many buildings got landmarks and saved. Act don't make excuses. Bottom line and that comment isn't open to argument. We are all adults the days of blame games are over. Let's work together and make it happen or let it die...

fieldafm

June 12, 2014, 12:21:39 PM
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There are ways around the city, and there's less love for quiters in my books than I can convey

Respectfully, you have clearly never done this sort of thing with COJ.
It turns even the most ardent community supporters into jaded people.

Calling out John Wells (who I'm sure you've never met) as a quitter is quite frankly, uncalled for.

AuditoreEnterprise

June 12, 2014, 12:38:03 PM
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There are ways around the city, and there's less love for quiters in my books than I can convey

Respectfully, you have clearly never done this sort of thing with COJ.
It turns even the most ardent community supporters into jaded people.

Calling out John Wells (who I'm sure you've never met) as a quitter is quite frankly, uncalled for.

Okay ill address this then. I have dealt with several city governments and some from another country. It is all usually the same process. And without your absolute knowledge of me as an individual you cannot openly say that I have not or have done something. My scope of knowledge regarding people is more vast than you may think. Just because I have not met someone does not mean I do not know who they are. I know most of your life story and I never met you.

A good example. Many people do not know who Shad Khan is, but through the things he does and says you can get a grasp of how that person is. Now as for John, I am sure he is a great person, but his own comments is what I am basing that off of. He himself said "I am done" and said screw the city of Jacksonville he will look for somewhere else to have the cruise. I don't know what else that is called. If there is another word for that then please feel free to tell me.

Bottom line is don't take something away from the community just because the city wont work with you on something. I think the food truck battle is a pretty good example of where persistence gets an individual.

Like I said whether or not he does it matters little. The community support for the event is huge every resident in Springfield I met brags about the homer tours and the cruise. Oh did I mention the people I know are business owners and investors in the community. I will say it again, there are ways around policies you just have to seek them out and if you think its some super hard task then you don't know me very well so I guess your statement also refers to you about myself. I am not going to argue this point anymore all I know is that the cruise is good for the community and it needs to continue one way or the other.

fieldafm

June 12, 2014, 12:50:42 PM
Your statements just reinforced mine. Thank you.

AuditoreEnterprise

June 12, 2014, 12:54:36 PM
Your statements just reinforced mine. Thank you.

Not even in the slightest, but if you feel better about it then so be it hahaha end of discussion.

Non-RedNeck Westsider

June 12, 2014, 01:08:06 PM
Auditore, I think the main point here is not whether or not the community enjoys the event - they do.  I do and don't live there, but it's fun and gives the family and I another option every once and a while.  But when the guy that organizes the event, created it out of his love for old cars and nostalgia, doesn't get joy out of organizing it anymore, it's time to move on.
 
How can you fault that? 

I can appreciate what I've read from you and your willingness to help out, but a telephone works both ways.  If you're that willing to help, I'm sure the call could be made from your end.  Probably more easily, because you're not dealing with stress and pride issues at the moment regarding the event.

Just my $.02

AuditoreEnterprise

June 12, 2014, 01:18:14 PM
Auditore, I think the main point here is not whether or not the community enjoys the event - they do.  I do and don't live there, but it's fun and gives the family and I another option every once and a while.  But when the guy that organizes the event, created it out of his love for old cars and nostalgia, doesn't get joy out of organizing it anymore, it's time to move on.
 
How can you fault that? 

I can appreciate what I've read from you and your willingness to help out, but a telephone works both ways.  If you're that willing to help, I'm sure the call could be made from your end.  Probably more easily, because you're not dealing with stress and pride issues at the moment regarding the event.

Just my $.02

That was very well stated and I have an unfathomable amount of respect for you at the moment for that input. I do see where you are coming from and I should have taken that factor into consideration as everyone does operate differently. That being said if someone has some contact information could I get a message in my inbox please.

Debbie Thompson

June 12, 2014, 02:02:31 PM
Just going to throw this out there, and no, I have no insight or inside info to back the claim, but since when have we let a lack of factual information stop us from posting....

Could the federal audit on Kim Scott and her department, started because of a group of Springfielders trying to better their neighborhood, have anything to do with the 'all-of-a-sudden' permitting requirements for The Cruise, which also happens to better Springfield?

I wonder if they're bright enough to NOT use their city council email addresses to relay the info?

 ???

No, I don't think so.  I like conspiracy theories as much as the next person, by fieldafm is right, and so is John Wells.  If you read John's explanation, he reserved that stage well in advance, because the LAST time he reserved it, he got the run around.  He has been unable to get a straight answer about it the entire time, and we are only two weeks out.  Either the City had a list of people who wanted it, and they were just waiting until the last minute to pick who they wanted and mess with the others, or they are incompetent.  How hard is it to say, here are the forms, yes they are correct or no they aren't, yes the stage is reserved for you or no it's taken for that day.  John could have received an answer at the time he requested the reservation. 

Fieldafm is also well-respected and knows what he's talking about. If he says the city is messing this up, I believe him.

stephendare

June 12, 2014, 03:33:18 PM
Times Union reporting that the Cruise is back on!

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2014-06-12/story/historic-main-street-cruise-rumbles-back-life-after-issues-over-event

Jacksonville’s own “American Graffiti” is back on again for Saturday June 28, with news that the city will not mandate a special event permit for a monthly classic car cruise down Main Street between 1st and 12 streets, despite earlier city mandates for one.

The Historic Main Street Cruise’s organizer had cancelled the event after saying city officials told him on Wednesday that he would need general liability and workman’s comp insurance, security and portable toilets for what he says is a free-flow gathering of classic cars, hot rods and their fans organized via Facebook.

Organizer John Wells said their grassroots group couldn’t afford that. But the cruise is back on with the city’s help. That also means that the cruise’s second anniversary concert at the Krystal at 2023 N. Main St. is still on, as is the inclusion of The Great Race, a cross-country classic car rally ending its second-to-last race day at The Jacksonville Landing, joining the Main Street cruisers, Wells said.

“The mayors office’s chief of staff has apparently got it all worked out,” Wells said. “... I am very happy that everything worked out. Give Chris Hand all the credit for having it worked out. And thank the media. Sometimes you don’t get listened to unless that happens.”

City Councilman Johnny Gaffney, whose district includes Springfield, said he was initially very disappointed to hear that Wells had cancelled the cruise because of the city’s mandate and was working to “try to rectify and keep it going on.” But he said there was a miscommunication between city departments and the cruise will continue.

……

To celebrate the second anniversary, Wells and cruise sponsors had planned a live concert with Second Shot at the Krystal, joined by members of the band Molly Hatchett including co-founder Dave Hlubek. The cruise was also going be part of the route The Great Race, a 25-year-long cross-country classic car rally planning to cruise down Main Street en route to The Jacksonville Landing for its second-to-last day finish line.

Great Race Director Jeff Stumb said whatever happens to the cruise, the classic car rally will head down Main Street as planned to a 5:30 p.m. arrival celebration at The Jacksonville Landing.

The Main Street Cruise’s Facebook page carried an earlier angry statement from Wells Wednesday afternoon.

“Folks, I am sorry to say that I’m done!!! We have some very generous sponsors who have put money up to pay for the band and other things that we need. I don’t feel that I can spend those people’s money and then have the CITY come and shut it down. SO, I am pulling the plug on EVERYTHING!! THERE WILL BE NO BAND AT THE KRYSTAL!! If you want to come and watch the GREAT RACE please do but the HISTORIC SPRINGFIELD MAIN STREET CRUISE is no more!!!”

click on the link above to read the entire article!

AuditoreEnterprise

June 12, 2014, 03:44:45 PM
Times Union reporting that the Cruise is back on!

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2014-06-12/story/historic-main-street-cruise-rumbles-back-life-after-issues-over-event

Jacksonville’s own “American Graffiti” is back on again for Saturday June 28, with news that the city will not mandate a special event permit for a monthly classic car cruise down Main Street between 1st and 12 streets, despite earlier city mandates for one.

The Historic Main Street Cruise’s organizer had cancelled the event after saying city officials told him on Wednesday that he would need general liability and workman’s comp insurance, security and portable toilets for what he says is a free-flow gathering of classic cars, hot rods and their fans organized via Facebook.

Organizer John Wells said their grassroots group couldn’t afford that. But the cruise is back on with the city’s help. That also means that the cruise’s second anniversary concert at the Krystal at 2023 N. Main St. is still on, as is the inclusion of The Great Race, a cross-country classic car rally ending its second-to-last race day at The Jacksonville Landing, joining the Main Street cruisers, Wells said.

“The mayors office’s chief of staff has apparently got it all worked out,” Wells said. “... I am very happy that everything worked out. Give Chris Hand all the credit for having it worked out. And thank the media. Sometimes you don’t get listened to unless that happens.”

City Councilman Johnny Gaffney, whose district includes Springfield, said he was initially very disappointed to hear that Wells had cancelled the cruise because of the city’s mandate and was working to “try to rectify and keep it going on.” But he said there was a miscommunication between city departments and the cruise will continue.

……

To celebrate the second anniversary, Wells and cruise sponsors had planned a live concert with Second Shot at the Krystal, joined by members of the band Molly Hatchett including co-founder Dave Hlubek. The cruise was also going be part of the route The Great Race, a 25-year-long cross-country classic car rally planning to cruise down Main Street en route to The Jacksonville Landing for its second-to-last day finish line.

Great Race Director Jeff Stumb said whatever happens to the cruise, the classic car rally will head down Main Street as planned to a 5:30 p.m. arrival celebration at The Jacksonville Landing.

The Main Street Cruise’s Facebook page carried an earlier angry statement from Wells Wednesday afternoon.

“Folks, I am sorry to say that I’m done!!! We have some very generous sponsors who have put money up to pay for the band and other things that we need. I don’t feel that I can spend those people’s money and then have the CITY come and shut it down. SO, I am pulling the plug on EVERYTHING!! THERE WILL BE NO BAND AT THE KRYSTAL!! If you want to come and watch the GREAT RACE please do but the HISTORIC SPRINGFIELD MAIN STREET CRUISE is no more!!!”

click on the link above to read the entire article!

Sweet! Great news!

02roadking

June 12, 2014, 03:48:49 PM
Never had a doubt... ::)

edjax

June 12, 2014, 03:50:11 PM
So can everyone on the thread kiss and make up,now?  Actually it was disappointing seeing everyone once again jumping all over each other and wanting to be the one voice heard and be right!  This is sort of what we say is holding back our city with our leadership. So perhaps at times MJ behavior is not much different than our city leadership that we disdain so much. Hmm.

stephendare

June 12, 2014, 03:51:20 PM
So can everyone on the thread kiss and make up,now?  Actually it was disappointing seeing everyone once again jumping all over each other and wanting to be the one voice heard and be right!  This is sort of what we say is holding back our city with our leadership. So perhaps at times MJ behavior is not much different than our city leadership that we disdain so much. Hmm.

other than joining the campaign to get the public outcry to the mayors office, obviously. ;)

Differences of opinion are kind of celebrated here, in case you haven't noticed. We just generally try not to let it get in the way of getting things done.

edjax

June 12, 2014, 04:08:15 PM
Agree. Yours is usually different! ;) and of course celebrated.

AuditoreEnterprise

June 12, 2014, 04:12:49 PM
Agree. Yours is usually different! ;) and of course celebrated.


Pssssh Stephen and his variety of opinions is what makes him so awesome :) no hard feelings on my part I like challenging debates

stephendare

June 12, 2014, 04:13:59 PM
Agree. Yours is usually different! ;) and of course celebrated.


Pssssh Stephen and his variety of opinions is what makes him so awesome :) no hard feelings on my part I like challenging debates

I rather suspect we all do! ;)

AuditoreEnterprise

June 12, 2014, 04:25:51 PM
Agree. Yours is usually different! ;) and of course celebrated.


Pssssh Stephen and his variety of opinions is what makes him so awesome :) no hard feelings on my part I like challenging debates

I rather suspect we all do! ;)

Agreed there no disputes on my end lol

stephendare

June 12, 2014, 05:12:03 PM
we got a copy of the actual email.

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From: Hand, Chris
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 2:16 PM
To: Gaines, Tonisha; Joseph, Daryl; Duckworth, Twane
Cc: Ronnie Belton (; Carter, Theodore; Ferguson, Cleveland; Bowling, Karen; Barth, Michelle; DeCamp, David; Sell, Kristen; Eichner, Teresa; Klosterman, Margo
Subject: Approval for June 28 Concert at 2023 North Main Street in Springfield
 
Team:
 
Having had several conversations with John Wells and each of you this morning, we have now resolved the issues surrounding approval of the Main Street concert scheduled for Saturday, June 28, 2014. 
 
As you know, this event will be held in the private parking lot of the Krystal restaurant located at Tenth and Main in the Springfield area.  Parks has ensured that a stage will be available once Mr. Wells resubmits the necessary approval paperwork, and Special Events has decided that a special events permit will not be necessary for this event. The specifics are below.         
 
1.       Use of the Stage

 

Parks has made arrangements for the stage to be available for the concert on Saturday. Mr. Wells is going to complete a new application for the stage which lists Krystal as the requesting party (since the restaurant is hosting this event in their private parking lot) and have it signed by the Krystal district manager. He will also provide an updated insurance certificate from Krystal.
 

Daryl: please supply me with a .PDF version of the “Reserve Stage and Bleacher” form so I can pass it on to Mr. Wells.  I will have him return it to you with the updated insurance certificate. Once you have received the revised form and certificate, please reach out to Mr. Wells directly so that everyone is on the same page about when the stage will delivered to the Krystal and when it will be picked up on Saturday night (11 PM).
 

Twain:  once this is received, please promptly review and (if it meets requirements) approve the updated insurance certificate.
 

2.       Special Event Permitting

 
As he repeatedly indicated in his emails to Laurie Mills of Special Events yesterday (June 11, 2014), and as he reiterated to me this morning on the telephone, Mr. Wells does not anticipate having 500 or more people at the Krystal concert. Given his written certification of the estimated crowd size of less than 500 people at the June 28 concert, and since this concert will be on private property, Tonisha has indicated that a Special Events permit will not be necessary for this concert.
 
I trust this now resolves this matter fully and finally. If anyone has any questions or concerns about this issue, please do not hesitate to contact me at the below telephone number.
 
Thanks very much for all of your assistance in this matter.
 
Chris Hand
Chief of Staff
Office of Mayor Alvin Brown
117 West Duval Street, Suite 400
Jacksonville, FL 32202

sheclown

June 12, 2014, 07:18:21 PM
Kudos to Chris Hand and the Mayor for this.

Non-RedNeck Westsider

June 12, 2014, 07:33:01 PM
Kudos to Chris Hand and the Mayor for this.

And this ^^^ is where I start to have issues with everything politik, and I'll try to explain.

Why are we offering kudos?  There would have been ZERO mention of any of this had the people in the mayor's office had just simply done their jobs in the first place.  It took a near nuclear meltdown to get someone to do something as simple as, well, what they're being paid to do in the first place. 

And sheclown knows from first hand experience.  The reasoning that I used above is the same, exact reason that PSOS has had to get as involved as they are.  To just get people to 'do their job'.  Obviously, from another thread going right now, the city taxpayers are on the hook for hundreds of thousands of dollars because someone sitting at a desk was incompetent and couldn't handle the duties that they get paid to do.  Where's the accountability?  Sure, we vote them out.  Great.  But for the everyday person who has no background info on this, even as much as part of the FB post from John:

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This year I was not going to let this happen again. I started out well in advance and reserved one of the stages and filed the application and was told that it was reserved for us. The Krystal Company sent them an insurance certificate for a 25 million dollar liability policy. In the weeks since then I have repeatedly called Ron Bruton (255-8765) to find out if there was anything else they needed and if we were approved for the stage. The answer I got EVERY time was, don't know, don't know, don't know!!!! On this past Monday I got the same answer. I was very frustrated and told him that I would not wait until the LAST DAY to find out if I had the stage or not. He interpreted that as me cancelling the reservation on the stage and gave it to someone else. My intent was to start calling "up the line" to see if I could find anyone who knew anything since Ron Bruton obviously did not. I talked to the assistant to the new head of Parks and Recreation and was told that I because I had cancelled my reservation our stage had already been given to someone else and it was irreversible. Mind you this was only one day. When I couldn't get anywhere with her I went to the Mayor's office and got nothing but a bunch of "deer in the headlights" BS.
Later that afternoon I got a call and began getting emails from Laurie Mills in the SPECIAL EVENTS office telling me that we needed a SPECIAL EVENTS permit for not just the band but for the entire Cruise from now on. If you have more than 500 people they want this permit. I tried to explain to her that this is a spread out thing and there are never 500 people in one location. She didn't want to hear this. She said that the city will shut it down and we could be fined.
The SPECIAL EVENT permit they are asking for is impossible for us to get. We don't charge anybody anything for the Cruise. The City wants us to provide General Liability Insurance, Workman's comp insurance, payment for police, and other things like portolets. We have no money for all of this!!! I don't know where they think all this money would come from. Several of the businesses have pitched in for this big cruise so that we could rent the stage and hire the band and so on, but this is one big show for the summer. I can't spend these peoples money and have the city shut it down.

Then all that is read is how the city came to save a neighborhood function. 

It's complete bullshit, and of all people (I have no reason to call you out sheclown, but I am and don't take it personally) to give the city kudos, I figured you'd be one of the least.  Especially when all they're doing is basking in the glory of fixing their own fuck-up in the first place.

Debbie Thompson

June 12, 2014, 11:40:16 PM
Well, at least they fixed it. 

strider

June 13, 2014, 08:31:35 AM
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Non-RedNeck Westsider:  It's (the city getting credit for saving the cruise) complete bullshit, and of all people (I have no reason to call you out sheclown, but I am and don't take it personally) to give the city kudos, I figured you'd be one of the least.  Especially when all they're doing is basking in the glory of fixing their own fuck-up in the first place.

The smart thing to do when ones who typically act badly somehow step up and do the right thing is to give them credit where due.  In this case, Chris Hand of the Mayor's office stepped up and manged to fix what incompetence was destroying.  He, and therefore the Mayor's office, deserves credit for that.

Meanwhile, intelligent people will understand that saving the Main Street Cruise does not and will not make up for the  mess at least two Mayoral administrations have caused and the current Mayor's office seems to be perpetuating by defending and promoting those most responsible for the mess.   

Non-RedNeck Westsider

June 13, 2014, 08:46:46 AM
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Non-RedNeck Westsider:  It's (the city getting credit for saving the cruise) complete bullshit, and of all people (I have no reason to call you out sheclown, but I am and don't take it personally) to give the city kudos, I figured you'd be one of the least.  Especially when all they're doing is basking in the glory of fixing their own fuck-up in the first place.

The smart thing to do when ones who typically act badly somehow step up and do the right thing is to give them credit where due.  In this case, Chris Hand of the Mayor's office stepped up and manged to fix what incompetence was destroying.  He, and therefore the Mayor's office, deserves credit for that.

Meanwhile, intelligent people will understand that saving the Main Street Cruise does not and will not make up for the  mess at least two Mayoral administrations have caused and the current Mayor's office seems to be perpetuating by defending and promoting those most responsible for the mess.

I understand your and sheclown's point, and maybe it is the right civil thing to do;  I guess I just don't happen to share the same feelings about it. 

strider

June 13, 2014, 03:23:58 PM
/\ All good.

sheclown

June 13, 2014, 06:05:05 PM
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Non-RedNeck Westsider:  It's (the city getting credit for saving the cruise) complete bullshit, and of all people (I have no reason to call you out sheclown, but I am and don't take it personally) to give the city kudos, I figured you'd be one of the least.  Especially when all they're doing is basking in the glory of fixing their own fuck-up in the first place.

The smart thing to do when ones who typically act badly somehow step up and do the right thing is to give them credit where due.  In this case, Chris Hand of the Mayor's office stepped up and manged to fix what incompetence was destroying.  He, and therefore the Mayor's office, deserves credit for that.

Meanwhile, intelligent people will understand that saving the Main Street Cruise does not and will not make up for the  mess at least two Mayoral administrations have caused and the current Mayor's office seems to be perpetuating by defending and promoting those most responsible for the mess.

I understand your and sheclown's point, and maybe it is the right civil thing to do;  I guess I just don't happen to share the same feelings about it. 

I hear you. 
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