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Markets at Town Center Site Plan
Developed by Pinehill Development Company, the 52.5 acre Markets at Town Center shopping center opened in late 2008, at the corner of Town Center and Gate Parkways. Over a year later, the east section of this 350,000 square foot strip center is still dominated by vacant retail bays. This section of the center will become the Plaza at Town Center.
The Plaza at Town Center
Announced anchors include Dale Earnhardt, Jr's Whisky River (yellow) and BlackFinn American Saloon (red).
Whisky River
Owned by Dale Earnhardt, Jr, Whisky River, a country themed nightclub and music venue, is scheduled to open in March, in an existing retail building. This location will be the first outside of Uptown Charlotte to open.
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Welcome to Whisky River
With a unique blend of rock and country music, VIP tables and mechanical bull riding, live music and electrifying DJs, Whisky River is unlike any party you've seen before. Situated in the EpiCentre with breathtaking views of Uptown Charlotte and Bobcats Arena, Whisky River really is in the center of it all.
Are you looking for a casual drink after work or a rockin' late night party; maybe a drink before the game, or the spot to celebrate the big win; or maybe you're looking to show off your bull ridin' skills or you just want to sit back and listen to the music - this is the spot. This is what Charlotte's been waiting for.
Whisky River - we'll see you there.
http://www.whiskyrivercharlotte.com/index.phpWith a unique blend of rock and country music, VIP tables and mechanical bull riding, live music and electrifying DJs, Whisky River is unlike any party you've seen before. Situated in the EpiCentre with breathtaking views of Uptown Charlotte and Bobcats Arena, Whisky River really is in the center of it all.
Are you looking for a casual drink after work or a rockin' late night party; maybe a drink before the game, or the spot to celebrate the big win; or maybe you're looking to show off your bull ridin' skills or you just want to sit back and listen to the music - this is the spot. This is what Charlotte's been waiting for.
Whisky River - we'll see you there.
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"We had a great opportunity to open the first Whisky River in Charlotte and the response was amazing. We're taking that good growth and expanding it to some other locations, nationally, now," said Earnhardt Jr. "I think Jacksonville is a prime market for this kind of establishment."
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?provider=rss&storyid=149687BlackFinn American Saloon
BlackFinn is a casual environment offering a contemporary American menu complete with a large selection of starters, soups, salads and entrees. Jacksonville's BlackFinn will become the chain's 10th location. Other locations include Addison and Arlington,TX, Bethesda,MD, Charlotte, Cincinnati, Naperville,IL, Richmond, Royal Oak,MI and Washington, DC.
Currently under construction, BlackFinn is scheduled to open late Spring 2010.
BlackFinn Lunch/Dinner
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BlackFinn is perfectly suited for those looking for a casual “bite” or a more complete dining experience. On the casual side, the Finn offers its carefully chosen selection of premium quality “Saloon Favorites.” We’ve taken the best items from those that you’d expect to find on a traditional pub menu and recreated them the way that only BlackFinn can. Saloon Favorites also include signature items that you will find only at BlackFinn.
For a more complete dining experience, BlackFinn offers a contemporary American menu complete with a large selection of starters, soups, salads and entrees.
For a more complete dining experience, BlackFinn offers a contemporary American menu complete with a large selection of starters, soups, salads and entrees.
BlackFinn Late Night
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No one throws a party like BlackFinn.
As the After Work hours roll into the evening hours, the Finn gradually transforms into a world class party bar. No party is complete without music. What electrifies the night at BlackFinn is the best party music of all time, from all decades. We pride ourselves on providing a lively, casual, safe and fun late night atmosphere that attracts the town's best looking crowd. The BlackFinn party experience is guaranteed to unfold and sweep you up as the night progresses. Every night at BlackFinn is a night that you don't want to miss.
As the After Work hours roll into the evening hours, the Finn gradually transforms into a world class party bar. No party is complete without music. What electrifies the night at BlackFinn is the best party music of all time, from all decades. We pride ourselves on providing a lively, casual, safe and fun late night atmosphere that attracts the town's best looking crowd. The BlackFinn party experience is guaranteed to unfold and sweep you up as the night progresses. Every night at BlackFinn is a night that you don't want to miss.
See menu here: http://www.blackfinncharlotte.com/menu.php
More to Come
While Whisky River and BlackFinn American Saloon have been identified as two anchors, a significant amount of existing retail space remains available for additional venues.
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A spokeswoman for the developers, Landmark Leisure Group and Ben Carter Properties, said that a high-end martini bar, currently unnamed, would be the third venue at the complex. An old-world style Italian eatery is planned, and he developers are talking to seven or eight more restaurants and nightclubs, she said. Retail stores are also planned for the venue which will include outdoor festivals and concerts in the mix that invites patrons to “stay and play,” according to a release..
http://jacksonville.com/business/2009-12-18/story/new_entertainment_complex_set_for_st_johns_town_center
The Plaza at Town Center will be a joint venue between Landmark Leisure Group (Charlotte) and Ben Carter Properties (Atlanta).
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St. Auggie
January 18, 2010, 09:16:50 AMCould you imagine this in the city core!! Ok, so I got to be the first to say it. So can we move on and talk about this is the sort of thing this town needs. Somewhere for people to go.
thelakelander
January 18, 2010, 09:24:16 AMYeah, its a spreadout version of the Landing without a riverfront view. Perhaps the Mayor should take the $8.2 million he wants to spend on Metropolitan Park and use it to help open the Landing's courtyard to Laura Street, since the land is publicly owned and the most visited spot in DT.
tufsu1
January 18, 2010, 10:25:31 AMI find it interesting that this space has remained largely vacant for over a year...it has some nice touches, including a faux pedestrian environment, and is located (sadly) in the hottest area of town..
thelakelander
January 18, 2010, 10:37:08 AMIts not alone in its struggles to land tenants during this economic recession. A ton of new strip centers all over town are largely empty. Right down the street, Tapestry Park still has a lot of commercial space available as well. However, taking available empty retail space and attempting to fill it by developing a market niche is a pretty smart idea.
Jason
January 18, 2010, 10:41:50 AMDefinitely a smart idea. It looks like the developers pulled a page or two from Toney Sleiman's book on revamping The Landing.
If only Toney was able to carry out his vision.... this stuff would be DOWNTOWN!
thelakelander
January 18, 2010, 10:54:02 AMDuval County has somewhere between 850k-900k residents. Thousands of more pass through or visit the area on a regular basis. I believe there is room for both and even more, with their own unique themes, characteristics and atmospheres. Not only in DT and the Southside, but also the North and Westsides. We just have to get our heads together, plan and implement with a long term vision or goal in mind.
copperfiend
January 18, 2010, 11:27:29 AMI am pretty sure it hasn't been there for a year.
thelakelander
January 18, 2010, 11:48:44 AMIts been there for over a year. The center was completed Fall of 2008.
copperfiend
January 18, 2010, 12:11:21 PMWhich portion? The portion with Best Buy or the portion with the empty spaces? They weren't built together.
thelakelander
January 18, 2010, 12:20:39 PMThe portion with empty spaces. Here are a few old articles. From the photos, excluding various outparcels, the actual shopping center was built at once, even the section with West Marine.
original article in March 2008: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2008-mar-the-markets-at-town-center
under construction in August 2008: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2008-aug-the-markets-at-town-center-takes-shape
Walkability article from April 2009: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2009-apr-suburban-walkability-markets-at-town-center
copperfiend
January 18, 2010, 01:08:11 PMInteresting. It didn't seem like it had been there that long.
Ocklawaha
January 18, 2010, 02:33:27 PMWow, I'm so excited I could just PUKE!
BTW, if one was to "develop" a downtown, wouldn't that include roads that connect and mass transit? Not in Jacksonville.
OCKLAWAHA
rjp2008
January 18, 2010, 04:17:29 PMSo far all I'm seeing is two more bar/restaurants surrounded by a sea of parking lots.
Typical "build it cheap" approach to entertainment and recreational needs. The entire property should've been designed to be walkable with parking garages.
tufsu1
January 18, 2010, 04:37:04 PMrjp....land values there are still low enough that parking lots made much better financial sense than building garages....its pretty much a decision factor for all types of development.
Ocklawaha
January 18, 2010, 06:48:25 PMNice point, if it was a land use LAW factor, then the decisions would be made for environmentally sound development with mass transit, causing a seed change in our thinking.
OCKLAWAHA
grimss
January 18, 2010, 07:45:08 PMActually, I've driven through this development and thought it was better done than most. They've got great graphic transparencies of shops full of goodies covering up all the vacant storefronts.
Still, how many more restaurants does the Town Center need? What's the dining capacity of the places already there? Has to be nearing 7K or 8K.
reednavy
January 18, 2010, 08:27:04 PMThese places no where they're moving in to. The highest traffic shopping and dining area in the region, and until all the land is built on, they'll keep coming.
mtraininjax
January 18, 2010, 08:35:46 PMJust got back from Denver where they have a very impressive transit system, and with it all, the light rail does not even go to the airport. First rate cities connect to the airport, after all, more people need transit to the airport. Until Jax builds dependable transit to the airport, don't expect anything great anywhere else.
Art Shad said it best about downtown, we need to Spend, Spend, Spend downtown and grow downtown. The amount being spent on SJTC and Downtown is not even comparable. At some point, when the traffic becomes too much of an issue at SJTC, I hope the patrons enjoy it.
St. Auggie
January 18, 2010, 08:47:04 PMYou guys are so funny. EVERY thread has to turn into, "ok heres how we can do it down town". Why cant a thread ever bring up the positives about what this does bring to the city even if this is not in the core. Applaud the developers for actually doing something, even if it is not where you want it. Baby steps. I know half of you want the TownCenter to fail but it is a HUGE success. Something this city NEEDED. This could very well be another feather in its cap.
tufsu1
January 18, 2010, 11:15:47 PMMight be because Denver's airport is like 25 miles from downtown....that said, their FasTrax plan does include rail to the airport.
btw, I can think of several major U.S. cities that don't have rail connections to their airports...New York comes to mind first.
Duke
January 18, 2010, 11:17:13 PMI agree. While more entertainment and retail options are desperately needed downtown, I am just glad that we're getting more options SOMEWHERE in town than not at all.
The funny thing is, if more things like this were to pop up downtown and downtown miraculously became the mecca we all hoped for, then we would have nothing to talk about other than how much downtown sucks because parking is so expensive, traffic getting to downtown is bad, there are too many homeless people living in rail/metro stations...etc. That's the beauty of this website I guess... there will never be a shortage of topics. LOL.
AbelH
January 18, 2010, 11:34:23 PMIt's so simple. Why can't leaders see it?
blizz01
January 18, 2010, 11:35:46 PMSeems to me that downtown has gained plenty of momentum on its own in spite of everything else - consider how many bars/nighttime venues that have either popped up or are about to.....In downtown. In this economy. - I don't think that there's another area in North Florida that's run in tandem to date. I for one am excited to have yet another "spot" - this city's big.
midnightblackrx
January 19, 2010, 12:34:39 AMThis IS a good thing for Jacksonville and a smart move by the developer to bring a couple chains to anchor the Markets. I don't think the the Town Center's success has to be at the expense of developing a vibrant downtown or even related. This is a huge city and downtown nightlife isn't for everybody.
Blizz, you are right! Since I've lived DT in the last three years, I've seen a huge improvement in DT living....Just look at the sky-line of the Southbank (three new res towers), the Bay St Entertainment district taking off, the ArtWalk gets bigger every month it seems. There is definitely somethings going down in Downtown and I'm happy to be a part of it...growing with it.
Doctor_K
January 19, 2010, 01:23:14 PMMight be because Denver's airport is like 25 miles from downtown....that said, their FasTrax plan does include rail to the airport.
btw, I can think of several major U.S. cities that don't have rail connections to their airports...New York comes to mind first.
tufsu1
January 19, 2010, 05:13:06 PMnope...but they are building/planning rail links to LaGuardia and JFK (existing line is just off-site w/ shuttle)....and the Newark airport just got its connection to the downtown train station (PATH/NJT/Amtrak) a few years ago
subro
January 19, 2010, 06:00:20 PMThat is incorrect. You can take a subway from anywhere in Manhattan to Penn Station. You can take the LIRR from Penn to Jamaica Station and then take the Air Train from Jamaica directly to any terminal at JFK.
http://www.mta.info/mta/airtrain.htm
mtraininjax
January 19, 2010, 06:58:02 PMTufsu, dude you can take the train from DOWNTOWN NYC to Newark and Laguardia as well as JFK, great transit system in NYC. Not as modern a system, but hey, it works.
Great article on Penn Station and the 1,000+ trains it services each and every day in Trains Magazine.
mtraininjax
January 19, 2010, 07:03:26 PMThis city needed more SPRAWL? The real feather in the cap when SJTC traffic approaches the density of Blanding Blvd southbound of I-295 on a Rush Hour. And we are not too far behind, given the traffic patterns from the holidays at the SJTC.
The only reason it is a HUGE success as you mention, is because the main stores around most of the major malls, Regency, OP, and Avenues, have failed and gone out of business, leaving older malls to fend for themselves. You put an Apple store in the Avenues, and it would be rocking too. Fact is that SJTC is just a mall, that is closer to the beach, to allow PVB patrons similar, albeit higher priced, options as those afforded to people on the southside with the Avenues Mall. Its newer, nicer, but in 20 years, it too will be washed up.
tufsu1
January 19, 2010, 10:56:16 PMreally...how?
DemocraticNole
January 19, 2010, 11:45:37 PMLooking at the plans, all I see are parking lots, parking lots, and more parking lots. Get some parking garages in there to save space and get some transit options. I live in Tampa now and while it is not a great city for transit, it is leaps and bounds beyond Jax. We also are at least trying to get light rail. That is the Mayor's #1 priority.
tufsu1
January 19, 2010, 11:50:44 PMTampa is trying...but they spun their wheels for 12 years...they had a light rail plan in 1998 and the County Commission refused to put it up for referendum....and Mayo Iorio is a convert, who was not a big transit supporter when she first ran in 2003.
copperfiend
January 20, 2010, 09:40:12 AMThere is no motivation for them to build garages. They are much more expensive and they own so much land, it is unnecessary.
St. Auggie
January 20, 2010, 10:05:58 AMI always love how this board compares itself to cities w/ metro areas 3-4 times the size of Jax. If Denver is just now getting rail, why on Earth would you think that Jax would have it already. And connecting DT Jax to the airport? Good lord the airport it heck and gone from anything in Jacksonville. Should it be connected? Yes. But NOTHING is on the northside of the city. When the area does a backflip about getting a cinema, it CANNOT support rail. Babysteps guys.
mtraininjax
January 20, 2010, 10:22:40 AMTufsu - Are you for real? I take the train into Penn Station every time I fly to Newark. Do we really need to add 100 pictures to the blog to prove the point? You can get to the New Jersey Transit site and go from "Newark Airport to New York Penn Station", they run about every 30 minutes every day.
mtraininjax
January 20, 2010, 10:23:52 AMNothing was or still is on the southside of Atlanta, but they deemed it important enough to connect to the airport.
St. Auggie
January 20, 2010, 10:31:19 AMMan I hate qouting myself, but again, did you really just compare Jax to Atlanta? I love this town but come on. Atlanta's airport is the BUSIEST airport in the world. Jax threw a party when we hit 6 million passengers in a year. Atlanta does that montly. Bad example. Next.
thelakelander
January 20, 2010, 10:39:10 AMLOL, you have not really followed the front page over the last couple of years. We routinely compare Jax with our actual peer cities and many smaller than us. Forget Denver, how about cities with rail like Salt Lake City, Charlotte, Nashville, Memphis, Little Rock, Tacoma, Albuquerque and Buffalo. From an planning and economic development standpoint, Jax's focus on this issue is long overdue. It may be time for us to go back to the basics of explaining how transit really works.
When you have some free time, try combing throught the transit section: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/transit/
You'll find a ton of comparisons to smaller places here.
Captain Zissou
January 20, 2010, 10:45:27 AMConcerning the town center, I think they should now focus on adding density to the area. The plans already have a parking garage proposed for the area between Dillards and Barnes & Noble. I say put at least a 4 story deck there and then create a trolley line that runs down 'main street' and then along the southern edge up to Bento/Best Buy/Entertainment zone.
Put condos and some offices on the lake on the other side of Town Center Parkway and encourage more office and residential project to fill in the expansive parking lots.
I think the only way to keep this area vibrant beyond 2025 is to actually create enough density to become a Real town center and be self sustaining.
comncense
January 20, 2010, 10:51:51 AMIt would be nice if there was some way to connect Tinseltown, SJTC and that new town center area that's there on Southside and Gate Parkway together.
Captain Zissou
January 20, 2010, 10:59:10 AM^Send my proposed trolley down the gargantuan median on gate parkway with a loop to Tinsletown/ those surrounding restaurants & up through tapestry park......
Put a garage at tapestry park and people would be able to utilize that whole area via trolley. Merrill Lynch and BCBS could utilize it for lunch and on weekends it would look like one of those Indian trains!!
copperfiend
January 20, 2010, 11:10:02 AMI am pretty sure that was in the original plan.
Captain Zissou
January 20, 2010, 11:18:02 AMCopperfiend, would you be able to find said plans?? I'd be interested to see what sort of development they had for that area.
copperfiend
January 20, 2010, 11:29:27 AMThis is what I have:
http://www.simon.com/mall/LeasingSheet/st%20johns%20town%20center857.pdf
You can see the residential planned between the mall and JTB and in the back of the complex. Also, notice there was a Ruby Tuesday slated to go where Bahama Breeze is being built.
comncense
January 20, 2010, 11:36:29 AMThank God that Ruby Tuesday wasn't built... I'll take Bahama Breeze over that any day
tufsu1
January 20, 2010, 11:20:57 PMI never said you couldn't take a train from Newark...I said not from JFK or LaGuardia...and the Newark rail link was only buil a few years ago.
mtraininjax
January 21, 2010, 09:21:32 AMDefine a few.....I was riding it back in the 90s.
Shall I post info on JFK as well?
mtraininjax
January 21, 2010, 09:24:19 AMDo you really want to compare airport traffic now? All we wanted to do was quote some modern cities have rail to their airport, now you want to start discussing the size of the airport? When you have the world's largest airlines use ATL as their HOME and MAJOR HUB, its not hard to see why it is the world's busiest airport. Airtran has a major hub there as well as the commuter planes like ASA and Delta Connection. Comparing ATL airport and JAX airport is not the idea of comparison, again, we are discussing rail to airports.
aaapolito
January 21, 2010, 09:35:18 AMI'm not sure how SJTC got to "rail to airports," but I'd like to just add a really great example of a city, on a similar level with JAX, that has done this effectively.
Portland, Or./ PDX is a a little distance outside of the city and is surrounded by industrial and commercial development. A traveler can take the MAXX (a light rail) for approximately $2 from PDX to Pioneer Sq., which is in the center of downtown. The ride takes about 30-35 minutes, but the scenery is enjoyable and the cars are comfortable. The ride takes you through commercial, rural, and eventually urban neighborhoods with many stops along the way.
I think that JAX should look to this great example.
St. Auggie
January 21, 2010, 10:58:06 AMYep, I get that. But to say we should have rail to the airport because the world's busiest airports have it is not a very good reason IMO. Have you walked through our airport on a Wednesday? NO ONE is there. ATL had to do it because people use their airport, people dont use Jax airport enough to spend all that money on something that just is not used that much. Now dont get me wrong I LOVE that airport... because NO ONE uses it (its also been nicely redone).
tufsu1
January 21, 2010, 11:11:24 AMDefine a few.....I was riding it back in the 90s.
Shall I post info on JFK as well?
Here's what I know...the Newark AirTrain link opened in 1996 as an airport circulator....but wasn't extended to Newark's Amtrak station until 2001...this 3 mile link is free for some (up to $5.50 each way for others) yet had less than 5,000 riders per day in 2007.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newark_Liberty_International_Airport_(NJT_station)
As for the NYC airports, a look at the New York MTA route map does not show a direct rail connection to LaGuardia....
http://www.mta.info/nyct/maps/submap.htm
and the JFK station is off the airport itself and requires a transfer to the AirTrain to get to the terminal...
http://www.mta.info/mta/airtrain.htm
btw, cost of this trip is between $7 and $13 each way...how many in jax. would do that when airport parking can be had for $5 a day?
Captain Zissou
January 21, 2010, 11:14:17 AM^ I see what you're saying St Aug. We don't need to get ahead of ourselves trying to be like the big boys. I think we should be very proactive and make sure we don't wait until its too late to decide to connect our airport to our city.
If we had a rail line that went from the airport to the transit hub downtown, lines that went down Philips to St Aug and Roosevelt to Green Cove, and a line down JTB to the beach.... How much better of a city would we be?? It would make doing business in Jax much easier for out of towners, and could encourage new businesses to relocate here for that reason. We'd reduce sprawl and encourage compact centers of development around rail stops.
We don't need to do it today, tomorrow, or even in the next couple years, but we need to get ahead of demand so that we're not stuck widening 95 and 295 around the airport again in 5 years when materials costs will be higher.
That being said, I'm going to Bento at the Town Center for lunch and I'm going to stop by Best Buy because I have a gift card. I'm Psyched! (seamless transition)
thelakelander
January 21, 2010, 11:46:11 AMActually, we should have did it (rail) yesterday or a decade or two ago. Not having it is one of the reasons we're so sprawled out today with a struggling urban core. Rail builds density, its not the other way around.
Captain Zissou
January 21, 2010, 12:06:14 PMI meant rail to the airport. I agree that we're overdue for some rail in this town. My parents' house would almost be a TAD on roosevelt!
mtraininjax
January 22, 2010, 08:20:02 PMAirport parking in lots A and B are $6 a day, where are you thinking?
mtraininjax
January 22, 2010, 08:27:33 PMThe AirTrain is only a link between the airport and the terminals and parking decks. The Northeast Corridor line for Amtrak and New Jersey Transit trains run by the Newark terminal. The Airtrain does not really serve anywhere other than the airport. You take this to the Newark Liberty International Airport (NJT station) which takes you into Manhatten and Penn Station.
CS Foltz
January 22, 2010, 09:15:15 PMRail here should have kicked off years ago and where are we now.............still talking about it!
reednavy
January 22, 2010, 09:48:17 PMWTF? I thought this was about the town center.
Charles Hunter
January 22, 2010, 10:55:50 PMyeah, the town center at the airport rail station!
blizz01
January 23, 2010, 12:22:12 PMyeah, the town center at the airport rail station & SPAR!
thelakelander
April 15, 2010, 10:23:39 PMWhisky River to open tomorrow. However, it doesn't look like the grand "entertainment complex" will be built anytime soon.
- Suite, an upscale martini bar.
- BlackFinn American Saloon, is a bar and restaurant patterned after a classic New York saloon.
Whisky River, Suite and BlackFinn are all affiliated and have locations in Charlotte's EpiCentre.
Last December, a publicist announced a much larger entertainment center in the Markets at Town Center, featuring up to a dozen restaurants and clubs. Developers have since said that only the three are planned.
full article: http://jacksonville.com/business/2010-04-15/story/whisky-river-set-town-center-opening-friday
tufsu1
April 15, 2010, 10:32:52 PMI know a bunch of people going there tonight and/or tomorrow....apparently they gave out about 3000 tckets for the Grand Opening!
Doctor_K
April 16, 2010, 09:17:12 AMA neat little electric-powered trolley or PCT down the spine of the SJTC from the blue-collar side to the white-collar side and then over to the Whiskey River section at the Plaza, then flips back down the spine of the TC would be all sorts of brilliant.
Still would love to see even a bus line to the Town Center that wasn't just to the UNF campus and back.
How awesome would it be to have a bus line down JTB from east to west, originating at the eastern end of JTB, stopping at park-n-ride lots adjacent to the JTB on-ramps on the arterials of San Pablo and Kernan, and then hitting the two different stops within the Town Center; then flip back around for the trip back east to the terminus at the end of JTB by the beach. How's that for your 'BRT'? Hell, not even "Rapid," just "Regularly-scheduled." At the east terminus of JTB it could intersect with a 'trolly' that runs the length of 3rd Ave all the way up to Beach Blvd or even Atlantic. Isn't there already a 'trolley' in place thereabouts? The Beach Trolley or whatever?
Another bus line that continues west on JTB to Southpoint and the park-n-ride lot for a future multimodal hub at Philips for the commuter rail line downtown could use the same route and hit the same stops, maybe minus one of the two SJTC stops.
Right there you've at least partially alleviated JTB traffic; and, even though its buses, you've got a set of relavent transit lines pretty quickly.
St. Auggie
April 16, 2010, 09:31:00 AMWent to a "town center" in California that had a train to take folks from one end to the other. It looked awesome, gave the place a REAL upscale feel, and it was EXTERMELY functional. It would have been nice if they had thought of that before starting. I dont know how many times I have not gone to certain stores at the SJTC because I dont want to have to walk from one end of the place to the other... even if I could use it!
Doctor_K
April 16, 2010, 09:33:56 AMFair point, St. Auggie. To each their own. I don't mind so much the walking around. It's good for me.
Now granted, in the dead of summer that walk from end-to-end is a biatch - I won't deny that for a moment. At that point I'm very much on-board (pardon the pun) for a little air-conditioned train-type thing, or the aforementioned electric PCT even, running the length of the complex. I agree that it'd have been nice to have that originally planned and implemented.
Captain Zissou
April 16, 2010, 10:03:06 AMBingo.
I was supposed to go to Whiskey River last night, but then I realized it would be awful so I didn't go.
finehoe
April 16, 2010, 10:17:45 AMWhy would you choose Whiskey River over the Tax Day Pub Crawl anyway?
Stephanie Kellum
April 16, 2010, 01:40:01 PMWell we didn't have a mechanical bull at the Tax Day Pub Crawl. Even with their opening last night we still had an amazing turn out. I don't think we're the Whiskey River crowd anyway. Besides, drinking and bull riding isn't safe.
blizz01
April 16, 2010, 02:25:10 PMYou may have to eat your words if the crawl finds its way to Mavericks!
Stephanie Kellum
April 16, 2010, 02:27:00 PMCrap! Very true. I'm fairly certain I will be trying to convince people to get on that thing. Hope cameras are near!