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MetroJacksonville Club Ratings Scorecard

A handy quick visual guide of the rankings of nightlife so far, determined by rating scores. From the Top to the Bottom. October 8, 2009.

Published October 7, 2009 in Dining & Nightlife      236 Comments    Open printer friendly version of this article Print Article


236 Comments

BridgeTroll

September 25, 2009, 07:03:37 AM
Great article!  Been to all those clubs and enjoy every one of them!  I personally think Shanty was rated a bit too low.  Perhaps because it was the first place visited... as criteria probably loosen up as the night wears on... ;)

Hurricane

September 25, 2009, 09:26:44 AM
Good stuff!  I would love to see this as a weekly or monthly article.  I want to get out of the normal groove and go to new places, so this serves me well...  Thanks!

Captain Zissou

September 25, 2009, 10:02:08 AM
Liked the article, but I would have liked to see Mark's rated a little lower.  I think our reporter was a little too distracted by the hunky bartender to give a completely objective rating.

TREE4309

September 25, 2009, 10:09:19 AM
I liked how Jennifer gets progressively drunker as the night goes by.  Must.hit.every.bar.in.one.single.night!  Agree that Shanty's rating got the shaft, too.

heights unknown

September 25, 2009, 10:30:13 AM
Is that "hoary" night club scene or "whoring" night club scene?  LOL, just kidding.  Never heard of the word "horary."

Heights Unknown

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 10:47:12 AM
this was hella fun to do.  And its going to be a regular feature.

Welcome Jennifer!

The ratings are pretty smack on, I think. A 5 is excellent in all categories.  It is technically possible to get a 6, but it would be damn near impossible.

For example, which category would  you change the rating on for shanty?  The bonus point subtraction for the heat was what brought their score down.

Thats why the narrative part is good, it lets you know the reasoning!

What a good time it was though!

GideonGlib

September 25, 2009, 10:52:12 AM
Shantytown was rated far, far too low.

TPC

September 25, 2009, 11:00:58 AM
I've been to all those places and some off the scores seem a bit off to me. Shanty should be rated higher due to the fact that you went early and it was pretty crowded and the people are very friendly. Jack Rabbits should be rated lower since they are only open for shows. Cafe 331 should be rated a little lowers since they usually have a small crowd in comparison to their size. Marks should be rated a little lower because the crowd isn't nearly as friendly as most of the other places.

Overall I like the fact that this post highlights some of the local bars and venues near downtown. I really see Bay Street becoming the strip for downtown nightlife. We just need a few more places between Marks and Ivy.

Omarvelous09

September 25, 2009, 11:04:24 AM
nice coverage...glad to see some of my favorite places featured. :-)

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 11:14:05 AM
I laughed out loud over the Cougar Hunters of Mark's!

BridgeTroll

September 25, 2009, 11:18:53 AM
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For example, which category would  you change the rating on for shanty?  The bonus point subtraction for the heat was what brought their score down.

Like I said... it was the first place visited... early in the evening.  If it had been reviewed or visited later in the evening the heat would not have been an issue resulting in a higher score.

I suppose something similar could be said of any of the places reviewed... IE... some nights are better than others... regular bartender was sick... etc.  I would request more pics if possible to get a sense of the scene both inside and out.

Just a critique... not criticism... :)

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 11:25:20 AM
lol thanks for both critique and criticism! :)

I was surprised at the shantytown score as well!  Luckily they get another crack shortly.

We are going to organize the reviews by which day of the week it is, and what part of town.

That way, if you are trying to figure out whats happening on a wednesday night, and you want to hang out in riverside, you can just check out the reviews for that night.

I was looking at the equation for shanty's rating, and I think one thing that could have been different on Jennifer's part was the D (drinks) category. 

The policy is that beer and wine gets a 3, because there isnt much skill in opening a bottle, but that the bar gets extra points for having a really great selection.  It seems like 120 beers is a great selection, so they should have scored higher in that category.

It would have evened out the negative bonus points.

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 11:33:01 AM
Liked the article, but I would have liked to see Mark's rated a little lower.  I think our reporter was a little too distracted by the hunky bartender to give a completely objective rating.
:D

kevinleenewberry

September 25, 2009, 12:05:40 PM
SHANTYTOWN gets a 3.4 ...no air conditioning keeps all the pussy bands from playing there..a real bar for real people owned by a real solid dude that has done more for this scene locally then crack habbits..you scored jack rabbits higher then shanty..girl you are cwazzeeee!!!!!!

Jennifer Browning

September 25, 2009, 12:08:19 PM
Hey everybody, I'm Jennifer and I'm excited and honored to be able to review for Metrojacksonville.com.  There will be more reviews coming, feel free to comment and let me know what you think.  I intend on having a lot of fun and I hope you'll have fun with me. :D

Jennifer Browning

September 25, 2009, 12:15:07 PM
SHANTYTOWN gets a 3.4 ...no air conditioning keeps all the pussy bands from playing there..a real bar for real people owned by a real solid dude that has done more for this scene locally then crack habbits..you scored jack rabbits higher then shanty..girl you are cwazzeeee!!!!!!


Hmmmm.... Well, I'll keep that in mind, Kevin.  Happy  Birthday!

Jennifer Browning

September 25, 2009, 12:30:32 PM
I've been to all those places and some off the scores seem a bit off to me. Shanty should be rated higher due to the fact that you went early and it was pretty crowded and the people are very friendly. Jack Rabbits should be rated lower since they are only open for shows. Cafe 331 should be rated a little lowers since they usually have a small crowd in comparison to their size. Marks should be rated a little lower because the crowd isn't nearly as friendly as most of the other places.

Overall I like the fact that this post highlights some of the local bars and venues near downtown. I really see Bay Street becoming the strip for downtown nightlife. We just need a few more places between Marks and Ivy.


I agree that Bay Street can become the "strip" for downtown nightlife.  Hopefully, we'll be able to draw a crowd and have more places to party on Bay Street.  :D 

Jennifer Browning

September 25, 2009, 12:34:47 PM
Great article!  Been to all those clubs and enjoy every one of them!  I personally think Shanty was rated a bit too low.  Perhaps because it was the first place visited... as criteria probably loosen up as the night wears on... ;)

I've heard that Shantytown was really busy later on that evening, but, the criteria stays the same no matter what part of the night I'm reviewing.  :)

Jennifer Browning

September 25, 2009, 12:36:21 PM
Great article!  Been to all those clubs and enjoy every one of them!  I personally think Shanty was rated a bit too low.  Perhaps because it was the first place visited... as criteria probably loosen up as the night wears on... ;)

Thank you for your critiques, and I'll make sure to take more photos for the next review :D

kevinleenewberry

September 25, 2009, 12:47:08 PM
Wait untill you experience shantytown in the winter..hanging out back with the fire kicking getting drunk and jumping on a table and screaming "I am the best songwriter in all the land!"...its a real nice time.

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 12:50:41 PM
Next clubcrawl is Sanmarco/riverside.
Were going to do a downtown/springfield one as well.
The riverside one is going to include steamworks, starlight, 616, incahoots, west inn, the casbah, Park Place, Metro and maybe a couple of others.

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 12:53:39 PM
Wait untill you experience shantytown in the winter..hanging out back with the fire kicking getting drunk and jumping on a table and screaming "I am the best songwriter in all the land!"...its a real nice time.

sounds nice and primal.

fsu813

September 25, 2009, 12:55:37 PM
i'd recommend not going to but a few at a time, you are going to run out of "crawlable" areas relatively soon if you keep up this pace.

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 12:57:58 PM
different nights of the week....youd be surprised.

Friday night in riverside is a completely different animal from wednesday night.

TREE4309

September 25, 2009, 01:15:33 PM
Next clubcrawl is Sanmarco/riverside.
Were going to do a downtown/springfield one as well.
The riverside one is going to include steamworks, starlight, 616, incahoots, west inn, the casbah, Park Place, Metro and maybe a couple of others.

KICKBACKS!!!  Oh, and Wall Street too.


Bewler

September 25, 2009, 01:33:06 PM
Beat me to it Tree.

Don't forget O'brothers.

kramer2k

September 25, 2009, 01:46:50 PM
Yes...KICKBACKS fo sho!

David

September 25, 2009, 01:48:59 PM
Well it's hard to even compare places like Shanty & Marks. They attract two completely different demographics.

Her statement about the lack of a/c reflects a lot of people's views on shanty. I've dragged numerous friends there only to have them complain the whole time, so I kick them out and tell them to go chase cougars/popped collars on Bay st and dance to crappy top 40 music. The drink rating definitely should've been higher though.

It's just about what you want in your night life experience, maybe MJ or someone else should do a separate review for the grittier side of night life, you know, the actual dive bars in town that so many of us like to frequent. For us guys/ladies who aren't on the prowl and just want good drinks, entertainment and company.

Jack rabbits is very dependent on the bands that are playing, that place can be a blast or a total waste of time. Nothing tops the time my friends and I saw Monotonix play there, setting up his drum-set in the middle of Hendricks Ave, running after passing by cars and then moving to play in the still under construction High Tide Burrito Co, but I digress...

Mr Tree and I were there at 331 briefly when this review was taking place and...well. I think everyone was just drunk by then. It sounded like a failed rave at that point...so we ended up going to shanty.

Overall Jennifer, I'd say your system is pretty fair if you're judging in terms of what most girls/young single guys like in a club going experience. You rated Marks & Dive high which is more of a club atmosphere (both of which i can't stand) and gave the darker, more cozy actual dives (which I love) a lower rating so I think it's important to separate club going experience from a bar/hanging with friends setting. It is Jacksonville and there are only so many places you can do in a review, but they're two completely different nightlife animals.

I definitely agree with TSI being a great way to end your night, I love how it's one of the only places open after 2 am. Be careful with those 12 dollar bottles of champagne though :D

TREE4309

September 25, 2009, 01:49:05 PM
O'brothers...you mean O'shit this beer is how much?!

kramer2k

September 25, 2009, 01:55:06 PM
Good points David.

I, too, differentiate between a club and a bar.  I much prefer the bar scene.

stephElf

September 25, 2009, 02:01:30 PM
Next clubcrawl is Sanmarco/riverside.
Were going to do a downtown/springfield one as well.
The riverside one is going to include steamworks, starlight, 616, incahoots, west inn, the casbah, Park Place, Metro and maybe a couple of others.

KICKBACKS!!!  Oh, and Wall Street too.




I would do San Marco separate from Riverside.  Endo Exo, Locals, I think there is a Wine Bar still on the South Bank that used to be called Tastings, Layla's, Square One, The Grotto, Sherwoods and maybe even European Street.  I may even be missing a spot or two.

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 02:03:56 PM
O'brothers...you mean O'shit this beer is how much?!
tree.  too funny.  spit out green tea reading this.

David, maybe you'd like to do a club crawl with us?

great additions to the list. Steph, what else is out in san marco?

Bewler

September 25, 2009, 02:06:33 PM
O'brothers...you mean O'shit this beer is how much?!

Haha, yes. Inspite of that, they still draw a big enough crowd to warrant a spot in this article. Maybe it'll even convince them to lower their prices and we'll all actually want to go there.

stephElf

September 25, 2009, 02:06:58 PM
Good points David.

I, too, differentiate between a club and a bar.  I much prefer the bar scene.

Ditto on both counts.

TREE4309

September 25, 2009, 02:09:26 PM
I bought a pint of Bold City Killer Whale Cream Ale at O'Brothers last week.  It cost me $6.  They can f*ck right off with that noise.

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 02:11:12 PM
lol.  Gotcha one of them thar 18dollar beer buzzes.

stephElf

September 25, 2009, 02:16:49 PM
Steph, what else is out in san marco?

The only other place that comes to mind is Jack Rabbits, but you guys did cover that already.  Taverna isn't a club (but it seems like the approach of this isn't going to be 100% club) .. but would be a nice start off point for a glass of wine - like the Grotto.

There is also River City Brewing ::: shudder :::

Don't forget Bold City Brewery for the Riverside tour.

stephElf

September 25, 2009, 02:17:51 PM
I bought a pint of Bold City Killer Whale Cream Ale at O'Brothers last week.  It cost me $6.  They can f*ck right off with that noise.

What????? Now I want a Cream Ale though haha. Hurry up 5:30!

BridgeTroll

September 25, 2009, 02:25:51 PM
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What?? Now I want a Cream Ale though haha. Hurry up 5:30!

Me Too! :D

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 02:29:23 PM
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hoary

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hoar⋅y
  /ˈhɔri, ˈhoʊri/ [hawr-ee, hohr-ee]
–adjective, hoar⋅i⋅er, hoar⋅i⋅est.
1.    gray or white with age: an old dog with a hoary muzzle.
2.    ancient or venerable: hoary myths.
3.    tedious from familiarity; stale: Please don't tell that hoary joke at dinner again tonight.

braeburn

September 25, 2009, 02:33:30 PM
How about Sherwoods, Endo Exo, Locals, and the former Tastings/Wine Bar (assuming it's not still closed!!) in San Marco?

In Riverside, Walkers and Kickbacks are right across the street(s) from Park Place, so it might be easy enough to just pop in and do a review.

02roadking

September 25, 2009, 02:42:36 PM
Don't forget Riverside Liquors bar.

Beau Damion

September 25, 2009, 02:49:23 PM
Great article Jennifer! Very good read. You did mean Beau Damion @ 331 though right? ;)... Its all good :D.

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 02:51:30 PM
Great article Jennifer! Very good read. You did mean Beau Damion @ 331 though right? ;)... Its all good :D.

Thanks Beau!  fixed it.

Welcome to MetroJacksonville man!

stephElf

September 25, 2009, 02:53:19 PM
For Avondale-ish area... Eclipse and The Brick as well.

BridgeTroll

September 25, 2009, 02:56:12 PM
A comparison of "Happy Hours" would make a good investigation and article as well... :)

$.02

stephElf

September 25, 2009, 03:04:34 PM
A comparison of "Happy Hours" would make a good investigation and article as well... :)

$.02

I was sort of thinking the same thing.  While it's nice to see a tour of places to go on a specific night of the week... I may also know that I want to go to one of three places (regardless of the night) and would prefer to know ahead of time which of those three places has the best pricing.  Some places post their regular specials on their website or Facebook - but not everyone does.

For example, Casbah has Wino Wednesday - which is buy a $20 bottle of wine (limited selection) and get a free single flavor hookah.  On a regular night, that same purchase would cost $36 - $38.  Sunday afternoons from 3 - 7 they have 1/2 price hookahs.

Sometimes these reviews can bring about "inside info" that isn't largely publicized, so it's nice to find that sort of stuff out.

TREE4309

September 25, 2009, 03:40:19 PM
Right now Jennifer is scoffing at this thread and wondering how long she'll have before sclerosis of the liver sets in.

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 03:42:27 PM
lol.  indeed.  Luckily for her liver, Jennifer will not be doing all of these.  It takes a team to cover the city very well.

Bewler

September 25, 2009, 04:22:58 PM
Here would be my coverage:

“Holy God, my brain….

Uh, went out to a couple places. Drank. You know what? I don’t remember. It was probably fun. Going back to sleep now. Hope you enjoyed this review” 

TREE4309

September 25, 2009, 04:36:34 PM
I don't own enough ill-fitting button down shirts (untucked of course) and loafers to go to Mark's.

David

September 25, 2009, 04:39:29 PM
Here would be my coverage:

“Holy God, my brain….

Uh, went out to a couple places. Drank. You know what? I don’t remember. It was probably fun. Going back to sleep now. Hope you enjoyed this review” 


hah, mine would probably look the same way.

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 04:40:26 PM
well ideally, the reviewers should include people that wouldnt normally go to that kind of establishment
its a sure fire way to tell how friendly the crowd actually is.

TREE4309

September 25, 2009, 04:41:50 PM
well ideally, the reviewers should include people that wouldnt normally go to that kind of establishment
its a sure fire way to tell how friendly the crowd actually is.

No, I won't go to Mark's for a follow up review, Stephen. 

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 04:42:33 PM
dammit~! ;)

David

September 25, 2009, 04:45:04 PM
tree.  too funny.  spit out green tea reading this.

David, maybe you'd like to do a club crawl with us?

great additions to the list. Steph, what else is out in san marco?

Sure,  I already cross paths with you guys when I do go out, but usually i'm just getting there as you guys are leaving or vice versa.

What's next, Plush? Bourbon St Station?

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 04:47:01 PM
Riverside is next on the list!

TPC

September 25, 2009, 04:51:36 PM
Since a lot of people were talking about getting a Bold City Creme Ale, I think their anniversary is Saturday, Oct 3rd with $2 pints.

TREE4309

September 25, 2009, 04:52:13 PM
I want to go to some "ghetto" drinking spots...does metrojax have life insurance policies for their forum posters/amateur reviewers?

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 04:59:27 PM
I want to go to some "ghetto" drinking spots...does metrojax have life insurance policies for their forum posters/amateur reviewers?

Well it would be hard to find a ghetto bar that I don't know the owners or promoters.  After all, despite the SPARiness of the posters, the neighborhood sure didnt start out with that LOLAS Swag going on......  I guess it depends which ghetto you are talking about. ;)

We used to do a straight up dive circuit:  Bottle of beer and a game of princess pool, across the scariest bars in the city every couple of months or so.

It always started at Studs Pub. 

Jennifer Browning

September 25, 2009, 05:16:02 PM
Great article Jennifer! Very good read. You did mean Beau Damion @ 331 though right? ;)... Its all good :D.

Thanks Beau!  fixed it.

Welcome to MetroJacksonville man!


I did mean Beau Damion :)

Jennifer Browning

September 25, 2009, 05:25:14 PM
I want to go to some "ghetto" drinking spots...does metrojax have life insurance policies for their forum posters/amateur reviewers?

Where do you want to go?  This sounds like fun!

TREE4309

September 25, 2009, 05:27:00 PM
I want to go to some "ghetto" drinking spots...does metrojax have life insurance policies for their forum posters/amateur reviewers?

Where do you want to go?  This sounds like fun!

Are you asking me out on a date?

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 05:29:32 PM
I want to go to some "ghetto" drinking spots...does metrojax have life insurance policies for their forum posters/amateur reviewers?

Where do you want to go?  This sounds like fun!

Are you asking me out on a date?

isnt everyone?  Its kind of a prerequisite for a club god isnt it?
lol.

Jennifer Browning

September 25, 2009, 05:44:35 PM
I want to go to some "ghetto" drinking spots...does metrojax have life insurance policies for their forum posters/amateur reviewers?

Where do you want to go?  This sounds like fun!

Are you asking me out on a date?

No, I meant, that it would be fun to review the ghetto bars and clubs, too.  :)

isnt everyone?  Its kind of a prerequisite for a club god isnt it?
lol.

TREE4309

September 25, 2009, 05:45:35 PM
That's true, except I'm definitely more of a bar fly than pub god.  Or were you referring to her?  ha!

TREE4309

September 25, 2009, 05:46:48 PM
I want to go to some "ghetto" drinking spots...does metrojax have life insurance policies for their forum posters/amateur reviewers?

Where do you want to go?  This sounds like fun!

Are you asking me out on a date?

No, I meant, that it would be fun to review the ghetto bars and clubs, too.  :)



Oh, I see how it is!  ;)

Bewler

September 25, 2009, 05:56:40 PM
We used to do a straight up dive circuit:  Bottle of beer and a game of princess pool, across the scariest bars in the city every couple of months or so.

It always started at Studs Pub. 

I like this, what places came next?

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 06:04:25 PM
We started at Studs Pub, the Bull Dog, then over to In Touch Tavern, then back over to the garage speakeasy on union street, the big apple over on northside, back over to an old dive bar on 8th.

We would always end the night at Club Five or one of Monroes many bars.

Sometimes we would head in the opposite direction and do Mangoes (when it was truly a death trap) and finish up at The Ritz, with all of the bikers, biker dwarfs and the Love Rhinos that followed them.  This was the place you had to look out for.  Between the Dwarfs and the Love Rhinos, you could seriously mis step.

TREE4309

September 25, 2009, 06:11:27 PM
What's the fun in going places that give me a negligible likelihood of getting shanked for eyeballing a drunken maniac?  I love dive bars!

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 06:15:08 PM
yeah?  try it with Princess Pool sometime.

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 06:23:45 PM

this was the cake that Jennifer almost got gobsmacked with.

Jennifer Browning

September 25, 2009, 06:32:58 PM
Ahh... yes, "gobsmacked" is a good word for it!  It was a blast, though!

Ocklawaha

September 25, 2009, 06:39:06 PM
Very nice Stephen, which place was it that I met Father... "What's his name..." and had the doubles of "Boiler Water?" Or is this the same place where y'all tried to get me standing 90% to the ground? By any system, nice, nice folks.

BTW? What happened to the skateboard thing? Good clubs.


OCKLAWAHA

stephendare

September 25, 2009, 06:40:57 PM
I believe that was Mark's. old friend

triclops i

September 25, 2009, 07:18:25 PM
Great article. Great read. Great Comments. Awesome!

Ian@ Shantytown

Ocklawaha

September 25, 2009, 07:32:10 PM
I believe that was Mark's. old friend

Well, hell, they get a "5" from me. Maybe they just looked better at a 45% angle?

OCKLAWAHA

DavidWilliams

September 25, 2009, 10:05:12 PM
Jeez, Ock. Sounds like you are the life of the party at the meet and greets.  ;D

Still waiting on more info on the Baldwin rail history (or point me where to find it). Thanks in advance :) 

winthropf

September 25, 2009, 11:51:23 PM
Are the Shantytown pictures recycled?
I think I see someone in one of them that hasn't lived in town for a couple of months....

chris

September 26, 2009, 02:14:39 PM
Good start. Reviewing bars/clubs/venues is extremely hard to do, mainly because the crowd, drink specials, etc. can change daily. For instance, TSI on a Tuesday night for Karaoke is generally not going to have the same vibe as Penny PBR Fridays or Intermission Saturdays. I consider myself a nightlife aficionado, especially in the Jacksonville area. As much as people won't realize it, the Jacksonville scene is as dynamic as any I've encountered, it just takes a gentle understanding of social movement in the city. I think this will be a good project, but in all honesty, I really agree with some of the commentary about the rating system. A lot of it is going to be exceedingly subjective. I am also a firm believer in needing to get to know a bar by experiencing an entire night there before passing judgment. Spending an hour here or there really does not give an accurate perspective of the ebb and flow of a place; happy hour at Park Place is going to attract the a different crowd or create a different atmosphere than Park Place just after happy hour is over.

I met Jennifer a few weeks ago at TSI and believe she will do a good job fettering out the nuances of the city's watering holes. I just hope she takes her time and paces herself, both with the project and the oatmeal cookie shots. :)

Jennifer Browning

September 26, 2009, 05:07:04 PM
Good start. Reviewing bars/clubs/venues is extremely hard to do, mainly because the crowd, drink specials, etc. can change daily. For instance, TSI on a Tuesday night for Karaoke is generally not going to have the same vibe as Penny PBR Fridays or Intermission Saturdays. I consider myself a nightlife aficionado, especially in the Jacksonville area. As much as people won't realize it, the Jacksonville scene is as dynamic as any I've encountered, it just takes a gentle understanding of social movement in the city. I think this will be a good project, but in all honesty, I really agree with some of the commentary about the rating system. A lot of it is going to be exceedingly subjective. I am also a firm believer in needing to get to know a bar by experiencing an entire night there before passing judgment. Spending an hour here or there really does not give an accurate perspective of the ebb and flow of a place; happy hour at Park Place is going to attract the a different crowd or create a different atmosphere than Park Place just after happy hour is over.

I met Jennifer a few weeks ago at TSI and believe she will do a good job fettering out the nuances of the city's watering holes. I just hope she takes her time and paces herself, both with the project and the oatmeal cookie shots. :)

Chris, I totally agree with you about the differences in nights at TSI which is why we're going to review the scene on different nights in order to give an accurate picture of what's going on with the nightlife in Jacksonville.  Thank you for your support.  :D

Ocklawaha

September 26, 2009, 06:11:10 PM
Jeez, Ock. Sounds like you are the life of the party at the meet and greets.  ;D

Still waiting on more info on the Baldwin rail history (or point me where to find it). Thanks in advance :) 

Not really, though I do like to down a straight bottle of good Southern Bourbon now and then. Guess I'm too old for arm candy and not rich enough to be the sugar daddy, but the imagination downs more then drinks.

As for BALDWIN RAIL HISTORY, we could do an article on it. Otherwise go to the downtown library, Florida collection, 4Th floor. Ask for my book, "Rails 'Neath the Palms". Inside the chapters are laid out as the systems build, so start with the Florida Railroad and move up through the others to the Seaboard Air Line and beyond. There are family trees of the companies laid out so you can see how the pieces came together.

Photos, we can always dig up more photos. Oh and the double take for Baldwin is it also the name of one of the nations largest steam locomotive builders. Based in Eddystone PA. Baldwin came to the Diesel party too late, partly due to war production board only allowing them to build a proved product + their new diesel switcher. Alco, EMD (GM) and others got to build road and passenger diesels. Where the intersects Baldwin, FL is interesting. Seaboard Air Line, which owned all 4 Baldwin FL routes, was a loyal Baldwin customer. They were one of only (4) 3 railroads to order the strange super engine called the Centipede. This rare as heck and WAY AHEAD OF ITS TIME engine has just come out in model form $450 bucks +/- . I did a thread on this a couple of weeks ago. These Baldwins, were regulars in BALDWIN! Just looking up Baldwin and Seaboard and you'll find a host of cool photos.

Lastly, no Baldwin fan town or train, should be allowed to live without knowing the tune from the War of Yankee Aggression. This is a folk song and a real belly laugh. Just pull up "Bobby Horton, Old Abner's Shoes." 

(4) Union Pacific, ordered a sample then for unknown reasons refused delivery. The others were Seaboard, National of Mexico and Pennsylvania Railroad.


OCKLAWAHA

lastcall

September 28, 2009, 11:20:44 AM
What a great idea and article to read. I agree that the rating system is highly subjective as I have been to most of these bars and they are all very different every night and also tend to change throughout the night as well. I have a few questions to pose since I usually just read the forum and do not post often. Question #1 - I do not see any review on Twisted Martini, Maverick's, or The Ivy. What gives? You visited most of the bars / clubs in the downtown area so why not those establishments? I think for the article to have merit then you should visit all of them and give a review, not just providing positive reviews for bars that are advertising on this website. Question #2 - You spelled Ivy incorrectly. Why? It is Ivy not Ivey. There is a big sign on the side of the building if you need to verify its spelling. Again, I think the idea behind this article is much needed and will allow for all kinds of opinions to be posted. However, in your review of Mark's you made the personal comment about some meatheads from Ivy find their way down to Mark's. This leads me to believe that you have a personal issue with some of the bars in the downtown district since they were not reviewed and poor comments are being written. Kind of hard to take your article seriously when you do not review all of the bars in the said area and I look at the top of the page and the bar with the highest ratings just happens to be an advertiser on the site. Maverick's was packed all weekend with the Country Concert Series and Country Concert (only at Maverick's on Saturday) and there is not a mention of that. Twisted was also fairly busy with overflow from the crowd at The Landing. I went bar hopping as well and found most of the downtown bars to be average to slow. I love the area and hope is grows into a very vibrant part of downtown but articles like this should include everyone. I think one of the best attributes of the bars on Bay St. and surrounding areas is the vast diversity of the types of bars. It is not like the beach where you simply open up a bar and people show up in the masses. Mark’s is great with the awesome décor and being a pioneer of Bay St., Dive is a great get-a-way and people that smoke and enjoy being inside as opposed to Mark’s and Ivy making people go outside. Ivy is doing a great job in being consistent and opening during a recession. I didn’t figure they would last this long and I am glad to be wrong. TSI provides a completely different style of music and crowd which is nice when I need a change of scene. The Landing is what it is but I always have a good time at Twisted and Maverick is not for everyone but at least the option is there for those who like country music.

stephendare

September 28, 2009, 11:40:33 AM
lastcall

good morning man!  Thanks for the post.

We are going to be covering all the clubs, and if you read my intro to the article, you will notice that I mentioned that the clubs you mentioned were not on the itinerary for the first night. We just couldnt fit all the clubs in with the two person team.  As it happens, Jennifer was also killing two birds with one stone by checking out the band at Jackrabbits for a write up.   No sleight intended for the bars at the landing or at Ivy.

The list isnt an indication of the bars or nightclubs that advertise with metrojacksonville, although certainly marks and Dive bar do.  Its the clubs that we could verify with the management that we would be coming by.   And the reviews given our advertiser were just as critical as the ones we gave to everyone else.  In fact more so, if you consider Jennifer's remarks about the shots she got compared to 331's.   Finally, TSI also got the highest rating and does not advertise with us.  The highest possible rating is a 6.0.  and both TSI and Mark's recieved 4.8 ratings.

You are 100% right about the misspelling of Ivy Club, and you can blame that on me.  In the original, it was spelled correctly, but for some reason I insisted that the correct spelling included the extra 'e'.  I see the sign and building enough that you would think I know better, but just didn't.

We have no idea why the meatheads decided to come down to Marks from Ivy.  Maybe there wasnt anything terribly appealing to meatheads going on at the club and they were seeking fresh possibility, maybe there was a secret meat head roundup that none of us were privy to, maybe it was just the coincidence of three unconnected groups of meatheads that fate decreed would descend on Marks to join the Cougar Hunters and arm candy doing shots, we don't know.

But we do know that this is exactly what they did.

We shall have to see the clientele of Ivy and Mavericks this coming weekend.

Thanks for your comments though!  I keenly felt some of your own criticisms before we even got started, and agree that it will take a whole lot more to make it as comprehensive as it needs to be.  However, I do think its a brilliant start, and as we are adding more people to the club review teams, it will get even better and more representative.

I hope you become a regular poster on the board!  Its a pleasure to hear from you.

Stephen.

lastcall

September 28, 2009, 12:00:18 PM
Stephen. Thank you for the insight. I stand corrected and look forward to the upcoming articles. I do read the forum a lot and post here and there. Love the site and hope no one takes the comments to seriously. Maybe I will see you all out this weekend! It is a good time for this article as well since the summer is ending and people tend to start going out downtown a lot more. Love all of the bars you all are doing a great job.

stephElf

September 28, 2009, 12:48:00 PM
maybe there was a secret meat head roundup that none of us were privy to

hehehe

New To Jax

September 28, 2009, 02:44:37 PM
I think your idea for this article is great and am glad someone finally put something out there for people who don't know Jax to well to check out places to go.  I am disappointed with some of the things you said about the bars.  I have been in Jax for about a year now and have never found Dive Bar to be packed on a Friday or Saturday and smoking inside drives me crazy.  And you were right about their bar tenders....they never make a decent drink.  Marks is good, not sure about the whole meat crowd thing but the last two times I have been in there a big fight broke out between two groups of guys and the second time I was with a group of 12+ and Mark himself would not make a deal with us for cover.  I mean 12 people going inside to buy drinks I think deserve a few free....but we had a good time anyways.  I think you should check out some of these places sober, I mean you ended your night at Marks after taking numerous shots and drinking most the night.  Of course your going to give a great rating I am sure you were having a great time.  I agree with what Last Call said but did see your response that you are going to the rest of the places.  Me and My friends love Twisted, Ivy and Mavericks and spend more time at those places then the rest you went to.  You can always count on Ivy for a free drink with the owner walking around talking to everyone making you feel at home.  E.L. is great on Saturdays!  And you can't say Mavericks isn't a good time who doesn't like a mechanical bull and two story club!!  Twisted has gotten slower these last few weeks but we still support it!!! I just think maybe you should take it a little more seriously then just going out and getting drunk rating things.  Try talking to the people and asking what they like instead of comparing cookie shots.  I good care less about the drinks half the time and just want to dance and meet people.   But thank you for giving me some insight on Jack Rabbits and Shanty Town, I have never been to those places and will probably go check them out this weekend!!!

New2Jax

Jennifer Browning

September 28, 2009, 03:04:38 PM
Stephen. Thank you for the insight. I stand corrected and look forward to the upcoming articles. I do read the forum a lot and post here and there. Love the site and hope no one takes the comments to seriously. Maybe I will see you all out this weekend! It is a good time for this article as well since the summer is ending and people tend to start going out downtown a lot more. Love all of the bars you all are doing a great job.

Thank you for posting.  :)  I appreciate that you think we're doing a great job, perhaps we'll see you out during one of the Club Crawls.  :D

stephendare

September 28, 2009, 03:06:49 PM
Thanks!  New 2 Jax!

Appreciate the insights!  We definitely are going to be getting to the landing clubs very soon!  We also plan on checking out Sinclair, Poppy Loves Smoke (one of the really great spaces downtown, btw) and The Pearl.

There will be more included in the future reviews, more photos, more narrative, more interaction.  We would like to do a liveblogging event or two as well, Im still figuring out the logistics on that!

Thanks for the comments, as well as your own observations about the clubs!  To be honest, I think thats as important as what we write in our narratives!

Hope we catch you and your crowd out and about sometime soon!

Stephen.

TREE4309

September 28, 2009, 03:33:06 PM
Should I start singing Kumbaya now or what?

Captain Zissou

September 28, 2009, 04:52:20 PM
I think the ratings were as objective as bar ratings will ever get.  It will obviously take time, but I think this will end up being a great resource for people who want to have fun.  I am moving to the south bank at the end of the week and am looking forward to trying some of the places DT that I have not yet seen.  This is a great way to get a preview of what to expect.

marksjax

September 28, 2009, 06:08:37 PM
To Stephen, Ennis, Jennifer and the entire staff at MetroJacksonville.com. Great job on your website in general and I want to thank you for doing what really (to my knowledge) has never been done locally: A detailed review of bars instead of restaurants!

It is refreshing to hear unsolicited opinions and comments (good or bad). I am always looking to improve and we will learn from our mistakes. Nobody is perfect, but we are really trying to offer a quality experience and make Downtown a fun place to party.

To those readers who have not been pleased with some aspect of Mark's and Dive Bar I would only ask that we get a chance to show you we can do better. We are just local folks trying to do the best we can. I am very accessible and am happy to discuss anything in person to anyone who has a complaint, compliment, suggestion, etc.

I also want to thank the other bars/clubs and restaurants that have taken a chance in opening Downtown. It has certainly been a challenge for us all, especially in the current economy.

I remain optimistic that Downtown can be a successful local destination for nightlife.

Thanks for doing what you do and keep up the good work.

Regards, Mark


 

Bewler

September 29, 2009, 10:48:08 AM
To those readers who have not been pleased with some aspect of Mark's and Dive Bar I would only ask that we get a chance to show you we can do better.


I don’t think it’s anything you guys do specifically, it’s just some people prefer dingy bars while others like a more swanky club atmosphere. Can’t please everyone all the time, though I understand the desire to when it’s the main aspect of your business.

braeburn

September 29, 2009, 03:34:34 PM
Yes, and some of us prefer men's night over ladies night  :D :D :D

TREE4309

September 29, 2009, 03:40:37 PM
To those readers who have not been pleased with some aspect of Mark's and Dive Bar I would only ask that we get a chance to show you we can do better.

I don’t think it’s anything you guys do specifically, it’s just some people prefer dingy bars while others like a more swanky club atmosphere. Can’t please everyone all the time, though I understand the desire to when it’s the main aspect of your business.


That pretty much sums it up.  The music and the ambiance of a particular bar or club is generally what will attract or detract me.  The ambiance of each place isn't going to change much from night to night, so if you want to attract varied subsets of people, then you might want to try switching up the music on different nights. Top 40 isn't for everyone.

cayohueso

September 30, 2009, 10:49:26 PM
In 5 Points, don't forget Mossfire's tequila bar (OK...too small for a club) but still cool and head to The Alibi  on Cassat for a good dive...and then Pasttime's of course.

TREE4309

October 01, 2009, 09:14:24 AM
The Alibi and Pasttime's are on Edgewood in Murray Hill.  =)

stephendare

October 01, 2009, 11:20:07 AM
Jennifer and I are going to be checking out the Biker Night on Bay Street, The Pearl, Steamworks and The Landing on a Thursday. We are thinking of adding IVY club to the mix.

cayohueso

October 01, 2009, 09:46:12 PM
Damn, you're right...they are on the 'wood. That must have been a good night...

stephendare

October 05, 2009, 11:47:58 PM
Wow.  Im editing the weekend club report for thursday or friday
Fusion.
Poppy Loves smoke
Mavericks
Twisted Martini
Sinclair (and a production of Hedwig)
the Pearl.


The reviews are hilarious and fun.  I can't wait for you to read them.

stephendare

October 06, 2009, 12:20:03 PM
A preview of the reviews coming out shortly.

From the FNG, Benton Richards

Quote
That first night at (find out tomorrow) was the place that you would have envisioned taking your wife to the day after you got engaged.  The place where you will go after a few years of marriage and are young, successful enough not to count pennies, and full of piss and vinegar.

It really is ideal."

(find out tomorrow) is located a little off the corner of 8th and Pearl, where the smoking craters of the New Springfield Project still steam off a faint whiff of demolished buildings and dreams

The corner would hardly be a picturesque entrance to a dogfight, much less a place catering to people who arent avoiding specific police cars.

Captain Zissou

October 06, 2009, 12:36:58 PM
^^ Stumped.  Fusion is my only guess

TREE4309

October 06, 2009, 04:24:54 PM
I was at The Pearl when Jennifer came in looking all official with her clipboard and camera in hand, like she was a health code inspector or something. ;)  Hopefully my buzzed mug didn't make it into the review.

thelakelander

October 06, 2009, 04:29:25 PM
Lol, that's just Jen doing her job.

Bewler

October 06, 2009, 04:30:22 PM
I was at The Pearl when Jennifer came in looking all official with her clipboard and camera in hand, like she was a health code inspector or something.   Hopefully my buzzed mug didn't make it into the review.

Maybe she graded you.

TREE4309

October 06, 2009, 04:54:27 PM
Pretty sure she was grading your Karaoke performance, BEWLER!

Bewler

October 06, 2009, 04:57:26 PM
I prefer to call it one of my shows or "gigs"

stephendare

October 06, 2009, 05:11:49 PM
Lol, that's just Jen doing her job.

lol. no doubt.

And now there are three other reviewers out and about as well, including Benton Richards, Jonathan Crews and Christo Nova.

Jennifer Browning

October 07, 2009, 10:12:56 AM
Yeah, that's me doing my job :D

stephendare

October 07, 2009, 02:35:43 PM
another preview of the new CT&WB article.

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Once inside, there were over 3,000 people having what appeared to be a hoot of a good time dancing to The "Electric Slide".  It was like Back to the Future, only one where Patsy Cline partnered with Donna Summer and western civilization was changed forever.  The crowd was simply mammoth.

If you have ever wondered where everyone from deep mandarin, the westside and parts thither go to spend godless amounts of money to provide a backdrop for Navy Boys hoping to get lucky, wonder no more.

Captain Zissou

October 07, 2009, 02:52:04 PM
^^ Stop these previews and just post the darn thing already.  I saw Jennifer Browning at TSI saturday, but wasn't in much shape to introduce myself. 

stephElf

October 07, 2009, 04:07:45 PM
^^ Stop these previews and just post the darn thing already.  I saw Jennifer Browning at TSI saturday, but wasn't in much shape to introduce myself. 

"Steph Says" aka yours truly introduced myself at the Pearl and was 1.5 sheets to the wind... luckily her phone rang before I could continue speaking.  :D

stephendare

October 07, 2009, 04:08:54 PM
miss bewleys presence is duly noted in the reviews.
but at another springfield locale

TREE4309

October 07, 2009, 04:51:13 PM
Unruly Bewley...it's no secret anymore!

Bewler

October 07, 2009, 05:51:45 PM
What secret? It's like I tell the young single girls at work, we're more like "roommates"

 ;D

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 08:21:55 AM
holy smokes.

David

October 08, 2009, 08:36:29 AM
Go to Birdies (formely starlite) in 5 points if you want to meet Christie and say hi, she's there often, usually working on the place.

Fridays nights is more of a chill/laid back night at the Pearl. Discounted cover and 2 for 1 drinks before 11 make it a great place to get the night started, but no one's really there until around 11 and even then the crowd's pretty thin. Most are there for the Karoke, and most wind up singing "small town girl" by Journey.



David

October 08, 2009, 08:49:15 AM
and how about a little more slant in the reviews for those of us who prefer the female gender and not rejects from the abercrombie and fitch catalogues?

Example: I would've given the Pearl 5 bonus points because the girl to guy ratio was 4:1

SCORE!

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 08:50:42 AM
we are deploying male reviewers as we speak, david~!

In the meantime, there are the tragic photos of the two girls getting tossed off the mechanical bull. ;)

redglittercoffin

October 08, 2009, 08:59:48 AM
"Local puddinghead and would-be land baron, Ray Beeson of Streetscape notoriety"

...is that what you call all vocal republicans?  Just curious.  :P

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 09:03:12 AM
is he a republican?  Nope no politics involved.  Clubs dont care who you vote for. Besides, if the headlines are any indication....Republicans are party machines!  Can you imagine how much fun it would be to go drinking with the Palins, Meghan McCain, Ann Coulter and Mark Sanford?!

I think it has more to do with his boisterous encounter with the reviewers, and its all in fun!

David

October 08, 2009, 09:06:05 AM
we are deploying male reviewers as we speak, david~!

In the meantime, there are the tragic photos of the two girls getting tossed off the mechanical bull. ;)

Ahhh those maverick girls. It really does take a classy lady to attempt a mechincal bull ride in a mini skirt!

Very entertaining nonetheless :D

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 09:24:51 AM

Captain Zissou

October 08, 2009, 09:46:10 AM
I recently won a VIP night at Twisted Martini for 6, which made me very excited, until I saw the douche convention as photographed by the metrojax reviewers inside.  You say "cute boys", I say people I will probably punch, or at least argue with while there. 

SDare, I'm a republican, if you needed further explanation for my partying ways.  ;) ;)

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 09:50:28 AM
zissou.  I was a reagan youth, and still registered R.  Which explains my own 28 years of hellraising in nightclubs ;)

Although obviously, I have to be the worst Republican in America in terms of party loyalty.  My grandfather stayed Democrat for thirty years without voting for a single D, however....must be something contrarian in the blood.

Id still like to know what the guys meant when they told Jennifer they were off to 'party' on the dancefloor.

Color me unimpressed with spaz terminology.  Wouldnt "dance" have sufficed?

stephElf

October 08, 2009, 09:51:22 AM
Fusion is stunning in the inside. I have an obsession with their chandeliers that hang over the bar - I saw them once on some HGTV type show a few years ago and have been in love ever since. And I agree, being from New York and having the opportunity to go to several "frou-frou" places there for a night out, this place could fit right into Manhattan's cityscape.

For me personally, I think this place makes for a great Happy Hour spot or a date night.

If the owners are reading, you may want to consider getting a few simple eats.  A cheese plate, olive tapenade...some dainty, non-messy desserts like petit fours. People will wind up leaving and spending less money, simply because they are starving.  If you do offer food and I somehow missed that, my apologies.

Captain Zissou

October 08, 2009, 10:01:12 AM
Douchebags don't dance, they party.  Douchebags don't drink, they get F***** up.  Douchebags don't relax, they chill.  I could go on and on and on............

I swear we didn't used to have this epidemic of societal degradation in Jax.  The past 5 or 6 years have been a downward spiral in my opinion.  Everyone tags guidos as the scum of the earth, but if you took off those 'chill bros' hats positioned at about 10 o'clock on their heads (12 o'clock pointing forward), and spiked their hair with some hair gel, you couldn't tell the difference. 

Folks need to read a book, wear clothes that fit, find something interesting to bring to the conversation, and THEN go out. 

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 10:02:06 AM
Steph.  Int the place beautiful?

Benton has done time in the City as well and he was serious about his comments.

TREE4309

October 08, 2009, 10:09:47 AM
When do the club reviews start and the cute guy reports end?

www.instantrimshot.com

Seriously though, this exercise really does help me confirm what I already assumed about some of the places that I have purposely avoided in the past...thanks for taking one for the team!

Finally, I just want to repost this picture for my own personal amusement. 

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/gallery/index.php?i=669100428&ik=Vvrff&g=9841444&gk=ufXxF

How old do you have to be to get into Twisted Martini anyway? Ha!

TREE4309

October 08, 2009, 10:11:13 AM
aaaand that picture link didn't work...help me out here stephen!

fsujax

October 08, 2009, 10:14:20 AM
Thats the beauty of going to Downtown to club. So many different types of people and places to visit. At least it isn't stale or homogeneous!

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 10:16:13 AM
aaaand that picture link didn't work...help me out here stephen!



Apparently 15.

DavidWilliams

October 08, 2009, 10:17:38 AM
^^^^Tools and knobs are the terms that come immediately to mind for me.

Captain Zissou

October 08, 2009, 10:21:43 AM
Accurate description, DWilliams.  I'd rather talk about crops with the Mavericks crowd than hear how chill, dank, or sweet these bros are.

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 10:22:49 AM
Im going to guess Navy boys out on the town, from the haircuts.

Not too obnoxious, I suppose.

Captain Zissou

October 08, 2009, 10:23:36 AM
Im going to guess Navy boys out on the town, from the haircuts.

Not too obnoxious, I suppose.

If that's our Navy, I'm nervous to be living in a coastal city.

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 10:29:16 AM
So which of you guys was doing karaoke again?

stephElf

October 08, 2009, 10:32:14 AM
^^^^Tools and knobs are the terms that come immediately to mind for me.

Man, you guys are a tough crowd. They are just a bunch of kids having fun. They are like 21/22 ... they don't even know who they are yet.

Granted I am 10 years older then them and they don't necessarily look like "my type" - but sheesh.

stephElf

October 08, 2009, 10:34:16 AM
So which of you guys was doing karaoke again?

Um "bewler" aka Brett did 2... the Smiths and the Doors (which I missed) ... and then myself and my friend Rach did a very, very pathetic rendition of Black Velvet when the mic got shoved in our faces. 

Brett is actually a decent performer!

David

October 08, 2009, 10:34:38 AM
That would be Bewler. He has a good stage presence!  My acquaintance Will, who isn't on here,  was one of the shirtless wonders belting out the hits of yesteryear.

Captain Zissou

October 08, 2009, 10:36:27 AM
In fairness, I will meet up on the next club crawl and you guys can post my picture and ridicule it all you want.  I'm 22 and may not know entirely who I am, but I think I might stand up a little better to the critics on this website.

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 10:36:52 AM
^^^^Tools and knobs are the terms that come immediately to mind for me.

Man, you guys are a tough crowd. They are just a bunch of kids having fun. They are like 21/22 ... they don't even know who they are yet.

Granted I am 10 years older then them and they don't necessarily look like "my type" - but sheesh.

I know, right?

DavidWilliams

October 08, 2009, 10:42:52 AM
All in good fun...thankfully there weren't a lot of camera phones out there in my hard running days.  :)

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 10:49:59 AM
All in good fun...thankfully there weren't a lot of camera phones out there in my hard running days.  :)

no freakin' doubt.

This would be planet prison camp if there had been.

Bewler

October 08, 2009, 11:37:16 AM
That would be Bewler. He has a good stage presence!  My acquaintance Will, who isn't on here,  was one of the shirtless wonders belting out the hits of yesteryear.

Thanks, that’s really about all you can say for it since I can’t sing worth a shiest. Of course that’s kind of the whole point of karaoke to me, go out there, embarrass yourself, suck, and have a good time doing it.

And I guess take your shirt off if you feel so inclined.

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 01:07:12 PM
this weekend is pure riverside.

And we are doing Pearl tonight as well as bay street.

Im putting together a team for Southside.

mandy6488

October 08, 2009, 01:23:46 PM
^^^^Tools and knobs are the terms that come immediately to mind for me.

Man, you guys are a tough crowd. They are just a bunch of kids having fun. They are like 21/22 ... they don't even know who they are yet.

Granted I am 10 years older then them and they don't necessarily look like "my type" - but sheesh.


Pipe down Steph! =p Those dudes are the reason I avoid places like Twisted Martini. The first word that popped in my head was "tools!"

luvjax

October 08, 2009, 01:25:54 PM
Hey all!  New to Riverside and this website.  Is your "club crawl" on Friday night?  Saturday night?  Looking forward to your reviews.  Need some places to go.  Bored too death.

mandy6488

October 08, 2009, 01:29:01 PM
Brett's karaoke performance was awesome! I got a little bit of lap dancing during it so that was two thumbs up for me!  

 I don't think I said Hi to Jennifer, but parts of that night ARE a little fuzzy thanks to STEPH making me do birthday cake shots. Geez, what a bad influence.

<3 The Pearl on Friday nights. Probably because I'm an old lady and don't like a big crowd as much anymore.

Love the reviews though! Very entertaining!

mandy6488

October 08, 2009, 01:30:31 PM
this weekend is pure riverside.

And we are doing Pearl tonight as well as bay street.

Im putting together a team for Southside.

Can't wait to read the Riverside one!

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 01:34:50 PM
Friday Night is ok, but generally sucks in town.  Saturday is a better night.
There are a buncha night spots in riverside, we may have two teams.

David

October 08, 2009, 01:36:51 PM
Those dudes are the reason I avoid places like Twisted Martini. The first word that popped in my head was "tools!"

Remember the crowd-judging goes both ways. A lot of my old friends across the ditch at the beach/Southside etc can't stand coming to hangouts on our side of town because they feel everyone's too pretentious and arty. Haha they still use the "emo" label which by their definition applies to anyone who's not dressed in the standard club uniform, aka khakis/acid washed jeans, polo/dress shirts and spiked hair.




To each their own though. This town's big enough for all creatures of the night.

mandy6488

October 08, 2009, 01:44:46 PM
Remember the crowd-judging goes both ways. A lot of my old friends across the ditch at the beach/Southside etc  can't stand coming to our side of town because they feel everyone's too pretentious and arty. Haha they still use the "emo" label which by their definition applies to anyone who's not dressed in the standard club uniform, aka khakis/acid washed jeans, polo/dress shirts and spiked hair.




To each their own though. This town's big enough for all creatures of the night.



haha Yeah I know. One of our pals talks bad about Riversiders all the time.. apparently we're all stinky and gross.. and I suck because I enjoy Starbucks every now and then. Then there are people who judge everyone who goes to Jaguar games.. I can take it if I can dish it.. it's all in good fun. ;D

Captain Zissou

October 08, 2009, 01:55:52 PM
Ewww. Jax is not big enough for the guys in that picture.

David

October 08, 2009, 02:01:53 PM
Sure it is! They're about 15 miles east where land meets the ocean. outta sight, outta mind!

TREE4309

October 08, 2009, 02:06:42 PM
I fucking hate Heineken.

stephElf

October 08, 2009, 02:29:56 PM
I fucking hate Heineken.

Steph Says Heine Light is tasty-time!

Jennifer Browning

October 08, 2009, 02:40:07 PM
^^ Stop these previews and just post the darn thing already.  I saw Jennifer Browning at TSI saturday, but wasn't in much shape to introduce myself. 

Awww, you should have introduced yourself.  :(

Jennifer Browning

October 08, 2009, 02:43:09 PM
zissou.  I was a reagan youth, and still registered R.  Which explains my own 28 years of hellraising in nightclubs ;)

Although obviously, I have to be the worst Republican in America in terms of party loyalty.  My grandfather stayed Democrat for thirty years without voting for a single D, however....must be something contrarian in the blood.

Id still like to know what the guys meant when they told Jennifer they were off to 'party' on the dancefloor.

Color me unimpressed with spaz terminology.  Wouldnt "dance" have sufficed?

I was thinking the same thing when they told me that.  I turned around to write something down... and they were all gone!

mandy6488

October 08, 2009, 03:11:58 PM
I fucking hate Heineken.

Steph Says Heine Light is tasty-time!

Mandy Says no way! At least the other beers you like are tasty.. for the most part. ;D

Captain Zissou

October 08, 2009, 04:07:56 PM
^^ Stop these previews and just post the darn thing already.  I saw Jennifer Browning at TSI saturday, but wasn't in much shape to introduce myself. 

Awww, you should have introduced yourself.  :(

It's not that I was drunk, I was just sweaty from dancing like a crazy person.  I was with M McGowan.

jbroadglide

October 08, 2009, 04:19:53 PM
Are there any nightspots for us over 50's??? These all sound like clubs for 20's and 30's..and frankly I don't want to be labeled a dirty old man by going into a 20's club and oogling all th 20 year old females..

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 04:28:03 PM
Both Marks and Fusion are good for the 50s age range as well, JB!
But its a good point and well taken!

stephElf

October 08, 2009, 04:46:05 PM
Are there any nightspots for us over 50's??? These all sound like clubs for 20's and 30's..and frankly I don't want to be labeled a dirty old man by going into a 20's club and oogling all th 20 year old females..

Not sure what side of town you are on... but New Orleans Cafe on a Thursday seems targeted to the 40s / 50s crowd. They have live music on the deck ... covering classic rock type music.  It's on San Jose right before the Julington Creek bridge.

And they may have more nights like that besides Thursday... it isn't a swanky environment. Pretty chill, casual.  Kinda like Florida Keys meets Biker Bar ... lol.

event calendar & menu
http://www.myspace.com/theneworleanscafe

AntigoneStarr

October 08, 2009, 05:55:38 PM
I'm hoping that there will be another review on the Pearl and the Sinclair when it's not karaoke or a show? And perhaps a little less bias in the review itself, it seems more like a story of how someone's night has gone as opposed to a review... I realise it must be quite difficult to be subjective in a case like this. Perhaps two people per venue, one male and one female, who are not associating with eachother, who are not acting as "staff", would yield more unbiased results?

Also, no category for cleanliness? Just blurry images and some shots of the restrooms in which to judge that on? I mean, some of the venues in the riverside/downtown area can be straight up gross or really clean...

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 06:02:57 PM
great suggestions Antigone!

We are building the teams now.

The aim is to get a working guide for every night of the week....mondays, tuesdays etc
for every area of town.

the objective part is in the formulas, which gives the ratings, but the narratives are pretty subjective.

We will be expanding pretty quick.   Check out the rankings of all the clubs to date:  http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2009-oct-metrojacksonville-club-ratings-scorecard.

AntigoneStarr

October 08, 2009, 06:09:33 PM
You've probably seen me out and about at that rate. There aren't many venues that I don't like, except for some of the larger multi-plex types...

jbroadglide

October 08, 2009, 06:12:12 PM
Are there any nightspots for us over 50's??? These all sound like clubs for 20's and 30's..and frankly I don't want to be labeled a dirty old man by going into a 20's club and oogling all th 20 year old females..

Not sure what side of town you are on... but New Orleans Cafe on a Thursday seems targeted to the 40s / 50s crowd. They have live music on the deck ... covering classic rock type music.  It's on San Jose right before the Julington Creek bridge.

And they may have more nights like that besides Thursday... it isn't a swanky environment. Pretty chill, casual.  Kinda like Florida Keys meets Biker Bar ... lol.

Too far south elf.. I'm in Riverside..

event calendar & menu
http://www.myspace.com/theneworleanscafe

DavidWilliams

October 08, 2009, 06:26:33 PM
...and J Broad you CAN go anywhere you like. You don't have to be relegated to listening classic rock cover bands on a deck if that isn't what you are into. I am 43 and feel pretty comfortable at the places that have been mentioned here. Haven't yet been to all of them. Just keep your ogling to a minimum. My wife keeps my ogling to a minimum with occasional doses of of her elbow to my ribs when we are out.  ;) Works well. I am fairly well trained.   

CrysG

October 08, 2009, 06:31:22 PM
My only comments after being sent this from a friend was.

Not everyone goes to a club to drink. I personally go to see friends and dance to music, so a rating system based on drinks, attractiveness of bartenders or shirtless boys singing doesn't really tell me anything about the club in question.

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 06:38:56 PM
thanks crys!

The "D" in the formula is for anything that they serve, not just alcohol.

I think we should be including who the deejay is, and of course more crowd photos so that you can decide for yourself what the proper attire is for a given location.

What else do you think should be included, what would you like to see?

CrysG

October 08, 2009, 06:41:22 PM
I, personally think the type of music should be factored. Ignoring that is like rating art galleries without saying what type of art they house.

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 06:44:28 PM
Here is a link to the first article which explains our system a little better.  Do you think we should include the explanation with every update as well?

i agree the type of music should be listed!  I don't think a club should be scored on the music though, unless its a seriously high quality performance.

Let me know what you think about the explanation!  Thanks! :)

CrysG

October 08, 2009, 06:48:24 PM
Steven,

I read the article. I've read the explanation. But in the explanation you state that the reviews are based off what people would notice first. The reviews then went to go on and list things I never look at. Not to be mean but just because the reviewer in question thinks that shirtless guys deserve a bonus point doesn't mean that the music that is played at a club is an afterthought to all.

CrysG

October 08, 2009, 06:52:57 PM
Correction:

Cute doorman as a bonus

AntigoneStarr

October 08, 2009, 06:55:28 PM
Yes, something about the type of music played, who the DJ is, who the bands playing are, should definitely be included in the written portion. I can't stand when I see flyers for a venue and yes, the DJ is listed, but you have no idea who that person is or what kind of music he/she spins. Something about danceability is also very subjective when considering music. I mean, I'm a total white girl who can not breakdance so listening to breaks out at the beach is more for my listening enjoyment, not my ability to dance to it. Don't think this could be factored in numerically unless it's some bang out performance going towards bonus points.

If the bar serves anything other than alcohol (like specialty virgin drinks, snacks, if there's hotdogs/food vendor outside like Sweet Pete, hehe), that should be noted somewhere. Then, the quality of it should be factored in the overall score.

What about a review on Kickbacks? It's not a club venue by any means - it's a gastropub, with a lot of awesome beer.

Photos should be more clear, less blurry. Attire should be labeled appropriately and accurately without a personal opinion attached (i.e. "suits and dresses" replaced with "business attire")

Also, what night the club was reviewed should be noted in the written section just do to crowd variety (this was mentioned after the first round of reviews I believe).

In my opinion, the overall article should reflect a subjective comprehensive review. A reader should be able to tell who is giving the review (it's fairly obvious that a female would notice the shirtless guys or whatever, and may or may not add this into scoring in an inappropriate manner).


And now I think I sound like a total bitch of a critic... hrm. Just suggestions. I like the idea that someone is finally at least making a review.

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 06:56:21 PM
Crys.  Im here to listen!

I just wasnt sure you had already seen the first article, thats all!

How do you suggest that the music angle be handled, other than it being discussed in the narrative?  Should it be covered in more detail?  Or maybe a list of a few of the tracks and possibly some audio tracks as examples?  Weve been discussing both, so your ideas are very timely!

AntigoneStarr

October 08, 2009, 06:58:00 PM
Oh! Forgot, perhaps something about drink prices included? Like, order a specialty drink and one uhm, baseline drink at each venue to determine this? Because beer ranges from a penny in some places some nights to to $7 for some beers in other places other nights.

Grab a baseline drink (1 beer, 1 wine, 1 cocktail) and a specialty drink. Include something about cover charges. Some places are more expensive than others, some are free. That really needs to be noted somewhere.

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 06:59:53 PM
Antigone, have you seen the original review section as well?   Id be curious to hear if you think it was more complete than the update issue.

Heres the original:  http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2009-sep-crash-trash-and-weekend-bash-the-mj-club-crawl

Here is the master list of numbered ratings:  http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2009-oct-metrojacksonville-club-ratings-scorecard

and here is the present article:  http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2009-oct-crash-trash-and-weekend-bash-downtown-part-2

This isnt just for you, but for anyone else joining us for the first time as well!

AntigoneStarr

October 08, 2009, 07:06:25 PM
I've read both articles beginning to end. Seems there's just more actual information in the first one than the second, and that the second was more personal experience based on the reviewer's tastes. I mean, some people obviously love the places at the Landing to no end... but it seems the venue sounds horrible and downright scary based on one person's experience there?

CrysG

October 08, 2009, 07:10:10 PM
Steven,

For the purposes of a review you need to be objective. Most club review sites base their reviews on a mixture of the following:

Music - The quality of the music.
Location - The location and neighborhood of the club.
Ambiance - The decor and atmosphere.
Drinks - Quality of the drinks.
Value - Value for the dollar.
Service- Overall opinion of the service
Hotness Factor- self explanatory 
Fun Factor- Again self explanatory

Then there are basic information given about the clubs in question:
Pricing-
Age-( 18-up or 21-up)
Cover-   
Parking-
Air Conditioning-(Yes/No)   
Dress Code- (Yes/ No, what kind)
Alcohol-(Full Bar, Cocktails, etc)
Music Type- (Club, Hip Hop, Rap, Top 40, Dance, Reggae, R&B, etc)
Website-

Lastly, maybe we can have more than one reviewer go on different night, then get together, give us who rated what how and then average. That way all demographics are covered.

AntigoneStarr

October 08, 2009, 07:11:44 PM
What CrysG said.

Like, exactly what he said, is what I was making an attempt at saying.

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 07:14:40 PM
cool.  thanks for the compliment of reading the entire thing, (both Crys and Antigone)

I think you are right that we need to have baseline prices built right into the review.  as well as covercharges.

That just makes sense, and it changes from night to night.

I generally have a policy of sending people who arent necessarily interested in the main format of the clubs.  That way its easier to tell if anyone from the public can walk in and have fun, not just the in crowd.

We are going to be sending multiple different people out for different nights.  Do you think that would handle it?  Like if Jennifer isnt all that into country music, but Benton is, you would have two or three different viewpoints on the crowd----while the basic rating categories are pretty objective (besides the bonus points).

AntigoneStarr

October 08, 2009, 07:20:35 PM
That would work probably. I mean, I'm not about to hit up Aqua on a Friday night anytime soon or Rain on a Wednesday but someone who actually likes that scene would want to know that it's there.

Reviews for the general public who goes out at night are good - especially when trying to suggest something for out-of-towners who don't necessarily appreciate the same late-night scene.

A friend and I did a similar project like this over the summer, and if there were a clubbing frequent flier card for Jacksonville, that would be amazing. Our two month crawl every night of the week had a specific purpose though - to locate EDM in Jacksonville, because most venues we called wouldn't answer the phone when I called them. That was a long two months.

CrysG

October 08, 2009, 07:22:16 PM
Steven,

I guess I don't understand the purpose of the reviews then. I go back to my original argument about reviewing art galleries but not noting the type of art. You don't have to be an art major to say either you like art xyz because it's not your thing but you still have to review the art.

The point I'm getting at is that you don't want to review a club for a basic thing that a club is, a crowd of people drinking, dancing to music at a certain place. When you do that it stops being a review of clubs and more of a report of quirky or interesting things that happened at a club/bar.

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 07:26:23 PM
Cool.  Thanks for the input guys!

Im going to add the specific price points and cover charges etc.

The frequency of updates will increase, and we are already starting with multiple viewpoints.

The number of images are going to increase as well---this has actually been a concern as we get people trained.

Im going to keep the subjective narratives, because it adds a hella lot more than a straight review, which tends to be boring.  Ive found people come to their own conclusions about the reviewers and can generally decide if one is serious about music, or just not that into smoke, or prefers conversation to dancing (or the reverse) and because they know people like that in their own lives, they can generally take their opinions for what they are worth.

The key to that is making sure there are a lot of different opinions represented!  And we are constantly looking for people to help out with the reviews.......

Help me out on how to handle the music part.

Because we are going to be going to so many different kinds of places: indie, country, soul, neo soul, jazz, rock, punk, etc.  I think its going to be impossible to find people that can give credible opinions about the quality of the music as a music form.  Although they can easily talk about its effect on the crowd, and the quality of the sound system.

What are some ideas on how to convey quality of music, when appropriate>?

AntigoneStarr

October 08, 2009, 07:30:37 PM
I doubt you'll be able to quantify the music aspect. I suggest just including the genre and if there were people dancing (not just if the reviewer was) if it was a dance type club, or if the were people standing at the stage for a live performance, or if half the club was nodding their heads or whatever for jazz or whatever or even if they were singing along  or whatever(I mean, how might one judge the Metro on a Tuesday v. Saturday?).

I think crowd participation or response to the music is more subjective than the reviewer's personal opinion on the type and how good it is...

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 07:31:45 PM
Crys,  Other than Crowd Size, the friendliness of the crowd, the quality of the service, the quality of the drinks served, and the professionalism of the club to the review staff, how else would you define
'fun' in a nightclub that works for everyone no matter what kind of music or decor they are into?

some of our readers don't like crowded spaces.  etc.

TREE4309

October 08, 2009, 07:32:29 PM
I think just stating the kind of music playing, whether it was DJ, live band, karaoke, etc. and naming an artist or two that was played (if known) will suffice.  "Quality" of music is going to be subjective, so no point in overdoing it, just state the facts in this case...that's my opinion at least.  Names of DJs couldn't hurt either.

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 07:35:48 PM
I doubt you'll be able to quantify the music aspect. I suggest just including the genre and if there were people dancing (not just if the reviewer was) if it was a dance type club, or if the were people standing at the stage for a live performance, or if half the club was nodding their heads or whatever for jazz or whatever or even if they were singing along  or whatever(I mean, how might one judge the Metro on a Tuesday v. Saturday?).

I think crowd participation or response to the music is more subjective than the reviewer's personal opinion on the type and how good it is...

yeah.  I really thought is was kind of fun that Jennifer was like all ready to dance to some song at Maverick's that literally cleared the dance floor.  It tells you something about the reviewer as well as the crowd.

Apparently they all like country. And they all hate Black Eyed Peas.

still chuckling over the image of her alienated retreat from the club.

CrysG

October 08, 2009, 07:40:16 PM
Steven,

Not to nickpick but then I don't really see this is a review but more of a persons night out on the town. With a review you can compare and contrast based on agreed upon basics(ie the one's I've outlined) so that you can decide if the club is right for you. The reviews as they stand only give one part(which is subjective) of an overall club. From the reviews that we have I would have no idea if I wanted to go to any of the clubs that have been reviewed.

Lastly I do like the multiple people going on different nights.

Maybe we can have a mix of both. The outline of the clubs and then a personal narrative.

CrysG

October 08, 2009, 07:45:35 PM
Crys,  Other than Crowd Size, the friendliness of the crowd, the quality of the service, the quality of the drinks served, and the professionalism of the club to the review staff, how else would you define
'fun' in a nightclub that works for everyone no matter what kind of music or decor they are into?

some of our readers don't like crowded spaces.  etc.

Ask yourself did you have fun? Then you'd say yes to it's a fun night club. Which points out my desire for having a overall baseline of questions, then everyone get together, you give us who rated what, how then the average. The reason for that would be if you know Bob is a 30 year old, married who doesn't drink but Sue is a 20 year old single who does drink then you can say I'm going to pay attention to Bob rating the club a 2 for fun vs. Sue's rating of 5.

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 07:46:01 PM
that sounds like a great idea Crys.

We can run both the facts as well as the narrative, and that way people can get both approaches.  Thanks! :)

I just read your example, and that exactly why we want people to have some insight into the reviewer themselves.  Most of the review sites just give you these numbers and you have no idea if its bob or sue who gave them.

The narrative fixes that.

AntigoneStarr

October 08, 2009, 07:51:16 PM
I figured that you were going to do that anyways? I mean, facts are informative but a narrative does provide insight in which statistics alone can not compete.

I'd just avoid giving points due to someone's appreciation of how "smokin' hot" the bartender is... unless of course that bartender is J. Depp or Jessica Alba.

CrysG

October 08, 2009, 07:51:50 PM
Steven,

But to be objective you need to have facts that are things everyone would want to know not just things that some would like to know. My outline is a good base. You could add cleanliness or crowd involvement.

If you add the baseline questions you could add me as a reviewer.

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 07:54:41 PM
well lets do it then, crys!  Thanks for your help!

DavidWilliams

October 08, 2009, 08:35:22 PM
Stephen,

Keep a level of personality (subjective input) in the reviews. It humanizes it. MJ is not in the business of reviewing surgical suite cleanliness here. Keep it light and entertaining.  And, I don't it is in the the business of doing paid club consulting. One of the better threads. Lots of people checking in with opinions and thoughts. 

stephendare

October 08, 2009, 09:01:05 PM
Thanks David.

Were going to keep the narratives real. :)

Jennifer Browning

October 09, 2009, 03:19:20 AM
I doubt you'll be able to quantify the music aspect. I suggest just including the genre and if there were people dancing (not just if the reviewer was) if it was a dance type club, or if the were people standing at the stage for a live performance, or if half the club was nodding their heads or whatever for jazz or whatever or even if they were singing along  or whatever(I mean, how might one judge the Metro on a Tuesday v. Saturday?).

I think crowd participation or response to the music is more subjective than the reviewer's personal opinion on the type and how good it is...

yeah.  I really thought is was kind of fun that Jennifer was like all ready to dance to some song at Maverick's that literally cleared the dance floor.  It tells you something about the reviewer as well as the crowd.

I'm still laughing about this as well.  It was quite hilarious... really!  :D

Apparently they all like country. And they all hate Black Eyed Peas.

still chuckling over the image of her alienated retreat from the club.

stephendare

October 09, 2009, 02:33:28 PM
alright.
Getting ready for a probe of riverside.

stephendare

October 09, 2009, 05:29:35 PM
Three Layers for Coffee and something light, then Five Points Theater for Stiletto, then what?

alta

October 10, 2009, 01:02:15 AM
Glad to see Fusion got a 4.2 rating at 8 p.m.  That place is absolutely amazing.  The Pearl 2.8 even on a slow night ridiculous.   

David

October 10, 2009, 01:11:29 AM
^

I guess there weren't enough hunky bartenders that night.

stephendare

October 10, 2009, 01:52:31 AM
Alta, the details of the Pearl Review are located here:  http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2009-oct-crash-trash-and-weekend-bash-downtown-part-2 

It was a slow night.  Also the details of the Fusion review are in the same article

stephendare

October 12, 2009, 04:30:38 PM
Well Friday and Saturday Nights were a blast.

should have them up later this week.  Probably Friday

stephendare

October 12, 2009, 05:52:11 PM


Karrissa Wade will be leading a gay pub crawl shortly.

stephendare

October 19, 2009, 10:24:29 AM
Ok.  The next update of Crash Trash and Weekend Bash comes out this week.

Here is a list of the clubs that we reviewed.  Im not going to tell you who got slapped at one of them, but its a great story.

The Riverside Crawl.

the Casbah
West Inn Cantina
Moon River Pizza
Five Points Coffee and Spice
Steamworks
Wall Street
Birdies
InCahoots
Park Place
Walker's
Kickbacks
Eclipse
The Metro

Dapperdan

October 19, 2009, 11:47:29 AM
Moon River is a  club?

RiversideLoki

October 20, 2009, 08:40:41 AM
Well, the place could use some bouncers... if that counts.  ;D

TREE4309

October 20, 2009, 05:23:37 PM
It serves beer and is full of douchey hipsters...does that count?

RiversideLoki

October 21, 2009, 02:25:29 PM
It serves beer and is full of douchey hipsters...does that count?

You are my new hero.

Dapperdan

October 21, 2009, 02:58:27 PM
I should know. I was part of the famous incidient at Moon Roiver. I am guessing the slapping occured here?

Jennifer Browning

October 21, 2009, 06:10:48 PM
I should know. I was part of the famous incidient at Moon Roiver. I am guessing the slapping occured here?

I haven't heard about this famous incident.... what happened?  I'm guessing the slapping happened there as well, since it didn't happen to me on my club crawls and I didn't go to Moon River... so, process of elimination....

Dapperdan

October 21, 2009, 06:47:35 PM
Jennifer,
 Grab a book, sit back, relax and read this:
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,4577.0.html

Its better than most movies.

Jennifer Browning

October 21, 2009, 07:19:00 PM
Jennifer,
 Grab a book, sit back, relax and read this:
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,4577.0.html

Its better than most movies.

That's horrible, I've never been there but I certainly don't want to go there after reading THAT.

stephendare

October 21, 2009, 07:20:58 PM
lol.  the pizza at moon river is flipping fantastic.  And the event has made them pay attention to the customer service tremendously.

Dapperdan

October 21, 2009, 07:21:47 PM
I have not been back since. I hope they went through the improvement training they said they would go through.

Dapperdan

October 21, 2009, 07:22:29 PM
Stephen, I am still confused on why it is on the club crawl??

stephendare

October 21, 2009, 07:25:13 PM
Well its the habits of the club crawlers.  Generally people mix up the experience with hip places to eat and talk somewhere in the evening of clubbing.

Most of them don't go to Olive Garden or Red Lobster, but will instead build in fun late night eateries to meet up at and get something on the stomach so as not to get sick from drinking.

Moon River is one of those places that people stop in at while clubbing.

stephendare

October 21, 2009, 07:26:57 PM
And we have multiple club reviewers this week.

Jennifer Browning, Benton Richards, Jonathan Crews, Karrissa Wade, Jordan Rutter, and Christopher Phillips are all reporting in.  And of course, myself as home base and editor.

This is going to be a fun one.

TREE4309

October 21, 2009, 07:50:03 PM
Did I miss the 2nd round of reviews, or is that what you're referring to?

stephendare

October 21, 2009, 07:53:50 PM
You havent missed the new reviews yet tree.

CT&WB 1 and 2 are already online
CT&WB 3 comes out Friday.

Its a lulu

Sportmotor

October 21, 2009, 07:56:16 PM
This is rather intresting read

Jennifer Browning

October 21, 2009, 08:24:17 PM
This is rather intresting read

Thank you :)

stephendare

October 22, 2009, 01:47:50 PM
We have a review of West Inn Cantina in this one.

Also, its very cool what Birdies has done to StarLite.

Bewler

October 22, 2009, 01:57:03 PM
Yeah, Birdies is a big improvement. The only thing I’m not crazy about is the name. I may be in the minority here, but every time I hear it I can’t help but groan and think “ugh, does it HAVE to be called Birdies?”

Pretty small complaint I know.

David

October 22, 2009, 02:01:50 PM
There's meaning behind the name for the owner. Just say it 4 times a week outloud for a few weeks, you'll get used to it :D

Bewler

October 22, 2009, 02:22:27 PM
Maybe...

To me it would be like naming a bar Snugglebugs or something.

David

October 22, 2009, 02:32:46 PM
We'll open up our own "manly" bar then. We'll call it thrashers.

Atari007

October 22, 2009, 02:59:48 PM
Yeah, Birdies is a big improvement. The only thing I’m not crazy about is the name. I may be in the minority here, but every time I hear it I can’t help but groan and think “ugh, does it HAVE to be called Birdies?”

Pretty small complaint I know.


Meh.... I have to say that I liked it better before the change.   But hey, what can you do?

Ive frequented Wallstreet in the past month more than I have in the past 2 years because of this change...

Bewler

October 22, 2009, 03:45:09 PM
Now Dave I never said it had to be MANLY. Since you mentioned it though, "Come on down and drink at Beef Iron Pecks! RAAAAAAGH"


Meh.... I have to say that I liked it better before the change.   But hey, what can you do?

Ive frequented Wallstreet in the past month more than I have in the past 2 years because of this change...

I still prefer Wallstreet, at least in the summer time but then again a smokey atmosphere doesn't bother me.

Captain Zissou

October 22, 2009, 04:55:25 PM
Now Dave I never said it had to be MANLY. Since you mentioned it though, "Come on down and drink at Beef Iron Pecks! RAAAAAAGH"

Yeahh....... I'd rather drink at a place called birdies.  When I think manly, I think Shotgun Charlie's Or The Blackstonequarryexplosionrocketharleybar, not chests.

Bewler

October 22, 2009, 04:59:01 PM
Screw that weak sh*t. Beef Iron Pecks will rip Shotgun Charlie's in half like a phone book.

Check out our MANLY prices:

Bottled beer   - 20 situps
Domestic draft   - 30 pushups
Import draft   - 50 pushups
Well drinks   - Lift Boulders
Shots       - Wrestle a shark

Sportmotor

October 22, 2009, 05:14:31 PM
We have a review of West Inn Cantina in this one.

Also, its very cool what Birdies has done to StarLite.

I was JUST there!  :o I woulda liked to have read the review before I went there

stephendare

October 22, 2009, 05:16:06 PM

Captain Zissou

October 22, 2009, 05:19:46 PM
Screw that weak sh*t. Beef Iron Pecks will rip Shotgun Charlie's in half like a phone book.

Check out our MANLY prices:

Bottled beer   - 20 situps
Domestic draft   - 30 pushups
Import draft   - 50 pushups
Well drinks   - Lift Boulders
Shots       - Wrestle a shark


So lets see.... I could afford three bottles and a draft of domestic....MAYBE an import if I'm lucky... Maybe.  I need to get in shape, so I can drink.  (I promise this is a totally different mindset than the one I currently possess.  Totally different)
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