STREETCAR PROJECT FACTS
• 37 miles, 8 lines
• The first two lines, in Anacostia and on H Street, are already under construction and will open in 2012.
• The DC lines will travel on their own dedicated right-of-way with traffic signal priority at major intersections.
• Streetcars will only stop every 4-5 blocks, instead of every 2, as in Portland to speed up operations.
• 7-10 years to construct the rest of the system after that.
• Total cost: $1.5 billion
ABOUT THE LINES ALREADY UNDER CONSTRUCTION
Anacostia Line
Anacostia, one of Washington DC's most dangerous neighborhoods is now getting a new lease on life, thanks to the streetcar.
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On November 13, 2004, Metro broke ground in Anacostia on a light rail line that would explore the usefulness of streetcars in ferrying people to the main Metro line. The line consists of 2.7 miles of track and six stations. Service was expected to begin in 2006.
District transportation officials had negotiated a $16 million payment to CSX Transportation for use of the right-of-way. But they later discovered that CSX was not the sole owner of the right-of-way; the city, for one, owned part of it. In April 2005, they put the project on hold and began to plan an alternate 2.2-mile route on city streets.
The new plan received neighborhood opposition.
In July 2008, District officials prepared a plan to begin construction of tracks and infrastructure that fall, with completion planned in late 2009. The route would run 1.3 miles from Anacostia Metro station to Bolling Air Force Base.
The Anacostia Line is expected to cost $45 million, and the three streetcars will serve stops every 10 minutes, with 1,400 daily riders.
Phase One of the Anacostia Line will run from the Anacostia Metro station along Firth Sterling Avenue, with stops at Barry Farm and the Anacostia Naval Station, then turn south along South Capitol Street to Bolling Air Force Base. The route lies outside the old City of Washington, which means it can and will use overhead wires, which are cheaper to install and maintain but which are prohibited within the historic city limits.
Delays in construction, caused in part by a decision to trim the Bolling AFB end of the line in favor of extending the line northeast through more of Anacostia, has delayed the opening of the line. Expected opening is now 2012.
District transportation officials had negotiated a $16 million payment to CSX Transportation for use of the right-of-way. But they later discovered that CSX was not the sole owner of the right-of-way; the city, for one, owned part of it. In April 2005, they put the project on hold and began to plan an alternate 2.2-mile route on city streets.
The new plan received neighborhood opposition.
In July 2008, District officials prepared a plan to begin construction of tracks and infrastructure that fall, with completion planned in late 2009. The route would run 1.3 miles from Anacostia Metro station to Bolling Air Force Base.
The Anacostia Line is expected to cost $45 million, and the three streetcars will serve stops every 10 minutes, with 1,400 daily riders.
Phase One of the Anacostia Line will run from the Anacostia Metro station along Firth Sterling Avenue, with stops at Barry Farm and the Anacostia Naval Station, then turn south along South Capitol Street to Bolling Air Force Base. The route lies outside the old City of Washington, which means it can and will use overhead wires, which are cheaper to install and maintain but which are prohibited within the historic city limits.
Delays in construction, caused in part by a decision to trim the Bolling AFB end of the line in favor of extending the line northeast through more of Anacostia, has delayed the opening of the line. Expected opening is now 2012.
H Street NE/Benning Road Line
In anticipation of being served streetcar, transit oriented development is already invading the H Street corridor.
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In 2005, then-Mayor Anthony A. Williams launched the Great Streets initiative, which focuses development and revitalization upon six corridors. Among those are H Street, NE and Benning Road.
On January 20, 2006, the District of Columbia Department of Transportation announced that it would build a streetcar line on H Street, NE, from Union Station to Benning Road as part of its Great Streets initiative, on much of the same route established by the Columbia Railway Company in 1870. As of July 2009, streetcar tracks are being installed on H Street as part of the scheduled street re-construction, with streetcar service beginning around 2011.
On January 20, 2006, the District of Columbia Department of Transportation announced that it would build a streetcar line on H Street, NE, from Union Station to Benning Road as part of its Great Streets initiative, on much of the same route established by the Columbia Railway Company in 1870. As of July 2009, streetcar tracks are being installed on H Street as part of the scheduled street re-construction, with streetcar service beginning around 2011.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Streetcar
STREETCAR PROJECT GOALS
This is what the District says streetcars can do for its communities:
• Link neighborhoods with a modern, convenient and attractive transportation alternative.
• Attract new transit riders.
• Offer a broader range of transit options for District residents.
• Reduce short inner-city car trips, parking demand, traffic congestion and air pollution.
• Encourage economic development and affordable housing options along streetcar corridors
SOMETHING FOR JAX TO CONSIDER ABOUT STREETCAR DESIGN
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Here are just a few issues that must be resolved:
Who will operate the streetcars?
There are three basic options: DDOT could operate the system, Metro could do it or a private company could be hired. The issue of who will run the lines is similar to what planners of Maryland's Purple Line confront.
Will they have overhead wires?
The District says it is committed to operating vehicles without overhead wires in parts of the city where the wires could interfere with views of monuments and historic sites. Wired lines aren't as attractive, but they are easier to maintain than systems that put the power lines in the streets, where ice and road chemicals can affect them. One potential solution: batteries.
Won't the streetcars take away precious lanes?
DDOT says the streetcars will operate in traffic, sharing lanes with autos, but some streets -- like K Street -- might have dedicated transit lanes. Street parking would still be available in most cases.
How frequently would they run?
DDOT says it envisions the streetcars operating every seven to 10 minutes, seven days a week, but that could change with further study.
Who will operate the streetcars?
There are three basic options: DDOT could operate the system, Metro could do it or a private company could be hired. The issue of who will run the lines is similar to what planners of Maryland's Purple Line confront.
Will they have overhead wires?
The District says it is committed to operating vehicles without overhead wires in parts of the city where the wires could interfere with views of monuments and historic sites. Wired lines aren't as attractive, but they are easier to maintain than systems that put the power lines in the streets, where ice and road chemicals can affect them. One potential solution: batteries.
Won't the streetcars take away precious lanes?
DDOT says the streetcars will operate in traffic, sharing lanes with autos, but some streets -- like K Street -- might have dedicated transit lanes. Street parking would still be available in most cases.
How frequently would they run?
DDOT says it envisions the streetcars operating every seven to 10 minutes, seven days a week, but that could change with further study.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/31/AR2009103101606.html?hpid=newswell
CONCLUSION
In need of an economic boost with non-existant home sales, an unemployment rate of nearly 11% and no new significant job growth on the horizon; Jacksonville what are you waiting for?
Article by Ennis Davis
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CS Foltz
November 05, 2009, 06:15:51 AMAt least DC has a vision as well as a plan..............I did not see anything regarding funding for operation MJ, got any information that our City might be able to use? Somehow a $2 Dollar rental tax does not seem quite enough to fund full 24/7 operations and a drop in rental useage would drop tax collection...........I hate to say it but an increase in property tax may be the way to go if it is earmarked for "Mass Transit Useage Only"?
thelakelander
November 05, 2009, 06:32:51 AMI think before you can figure out funding for annual O&M costs or even a funding source, you need to identify what that annual number is going to be. To get to that point, you need to pick what type of streetcar and service the community wants. For all we know at this point, the annual O&M may be a drop in the bucket compared to some things we already pay for and a reallocation of the money currently spent could handle it.
Dan B
November 05, 2009, 07:17:28 AMWe can piss and moan about costs, and everything else, but none of it matters unless there is a will to get it done.
Jacksonville has proven it will spend any kind of money necessary to implement a plan, even a bad one, if it REALLY believes in it.
The problem with Streetcar isnt the cost. Its the lack of belief in it.
CS Foltz
November 05, 2009, 07:23:32 AMlake.....you make a valid point! However what ever figures that JTA provides would be suspect from the start. I am not really sure how to get that kind of information since we are dealing in what ifs! Potential is there for sure and if you confine search to inner core then concensus information may be applicable rather than what JTA would provide. Last figures that I remember was at about 900k but something that was useable 24/7,unlike the $kyway,has a lot of potential!
CS Foltz
November 05, 2009, 07:34:32 AMTherein lies the problem Gentlemen...............no vision and no plan! City is being run by amateurs and AIMO's and it shows with the monetary issue's we face. Too many Agency's protecting their turf and no cohesive game plan for overall advancement! It would help if Johnny had some kind of idea of what to do but that is a lost cause........latest idea, changing make Laura St two way and moving Jackson Statue at the cost of just 2 Million Dollars!
zoo
November 05, 2009, 07:52:44 AM• Attract new transit riders.
• Offer a broader range of transit options for District residents.
• Reduce short inner-city car trips, parking demand, traffic congestion and air pollution.
• Encourage economic development and affordable housing options along streetcar corridors
I think Jacksonville is waiting for its populace to think items 1-4 are just as important as the 5th item. At JTA the 5th item is often the main focus, and while 3 and 4 may show up on occasion, linking neighborhoods and attracting new transit riders seem virtually non-existent in JTA's list of project objectives.
JeffreyS
November 05, 2009, 08:21:23 AMJacksonville has proven it will spend any kind of money necessary to implement a plan, even a bad one, if it REALLY believes in it.
The problem with Streetcar isnt the cost. Its the lack of belief in it.
You are right on with this post and I wish our leaders could figure this out instead of being afraid that transit as an issue would be some political hot potato.
As much as some people who post here thinks Jax won't vote progressively on building the city they are wrong. I think people here see republicans winning elections and make up their mind how the voters will decide on every issue. Better Jax very progressive if not the best plan. The locals voted to improve their city even though it upped taxes. Now give them a better plan and watch them vote to improve their city again.
I think the Streetcar idea could be sold here especially with it already being a successful part of our history.
fsujax
November 05, 2009, 08:24:21 AMI have an idea. Why don't you guys show up at JTA Board meetings and tell the Board this is what the community wants. There is an opportunity for public comment at every Board meeting. Staff can only do so much. They need to hear from the community!
JeffreyS
November 05, 2009, 08:28:02 AMYou need a Mayor to push this stuff or at least support it. I and many others here have been to council and JTA meetings and will continue to do so.
JeffreyS
November 05, 2009, 09:08:39 AMKansas city has applied for funds for their streetcar intended to jump start their light rail plans.
p://southflorida.bizjournals.com/southflorida/othercities/kansascity/stories/2009/11/02/focus1.html?b=1257138000^2359231&s=industry&i=logistics_transportation
thelakelander
November 05, 2009, 09:47:43 AMI was just in DC about a month ago and saw first hand the impact of the streetcar plans on Anacostia. For years, Anacostia has been one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in DC and now (just like Columbia Heights when the green line was extended through it) new infill development is starting to penetrate the area. One of my college classmates just purchased a loft in the middle of the neighborhood, strictly because of the streetcar line coming into the area. Her loft sits in the middle of the hood, on a high hill and comes with a roof terrace where you can see the entire city. Its quite impressive and was affordable because of the area of town its in. A project like this would not have happened without the promise of fixed mass transit coming into the immediate area. If we can bring such a transit project to Jacksonville, I see no reason why a neighborhood like Brooklyn, LaVilla, Durkeeville, Brentwood, Panama Park, New Springfield or Springfield can't enjoy the same economic benefits. If massive market rate redevelopment can engulf these communities, downtown will fill in and redevelop by default.
CS Foltz
November 05, 2009, 12:25:08 PMlake I concur!.......to me it is a no brainer but the powers that be (IE Mayor,JTA and the Council) just don't get it as is evident by their glaring lack of interest! Most of the Council has their own agenda, a pittance here and there but there is no cohesive plan for much of anything! This should be the prevue of the Mayoral Office, to lead to have a vision and a plan and ours is severely lackin basic leadership skills..........."Run the City like a Business" has not proven to this point anything other than Fee's, extra taxes and no vision!
Ocklawaha
November 05, 2009, 05:33:31 PMWow, that's a loaded question. So I'll give you a VERY loaded answer, "OMG do we ever have information, plans, drawings, costs, etc... Even long term operations finance. But now is not the time to share it, trust us, talks ARE happening behind the pages.
OCKLAWAHA
Ocklawaha
November 05, 2009, 06:00:23 PMNever liked the "wireless" PCC cars DC had. That cable car slot down the middle of the street was more unsightly then a single small gauge wire. Besides that, someone probing deep into that hole would get a shocking response. Hang em high.
OCKLAWAHA
jeh1980
November 05, 2009, 07:06:03 PMAnother story ending on a bum note?
thelakelander
November 05, 2009, 07:52:33 PMNope. Its a story that ends with a question. Its up to Jax to decide on how the end will ultimately be written.
Lunican
November 05, 2009, 08:28:00 PMI'll never understand why people get so upset about the wires. I guess I just like the way they look.
Through Fishermans Wharf in San Francisco, they are attached to the street lights. Pretty simple.
thelakelander
November 05, 2009, 08:35:16 PM^It could be worse. The DC delegation should visit Bay Street....
A-Finnius
November 05, 2009, 10:21:40 PMI was in DC in September and their subway system is impressive. I'm sure their streetcar system will follow suit. Maybe Jacksonville can offer up a trade to DC for their mayor.
Keith-N-Jax
November 05, 2009, 10:25:34 PMImagine a street car down Bay Street or one that goes past the Landing or both.
stjr
November 05, 2009, 10:55:40 PMUnfortunately, Jax was sucker punched a few decades ago with "easy money" from the Feds and bet on the wrong horse, the $ky-high-way. Had we turned down that money, today we would probably already have a far more useful and economic development friendly streetcar system.
You can thank the $ky-high-way for sucking the wind from the sails of Jax rail transit (not to mention scarring Downtown advancement) by diverting both money and political capital from these far better transit alternatives. That is why I insist killing the $ky-high-way is the first big step toward getting ideas like streetcars to become reality here. For now, Jax is a one horse town and its time we rode the winner and got off the loser.
Ocklawaha
November 05, 2009, 11:27:23 PMUh Oh, here we go again... at least we can't say the city wasn't warned! After which they ran me out of town! hee hee!
All the Skyway horse needs is a decent pasture, and a vet to do a thuough checkup. We're going to do an article shortly with information that is going to blow a hole in EVERYTHING said before. JTA and City Hall, better hang on to your hats!
Step two is to completely interegrate the Streetcar with a minimal Skyway, both provide frequent clean electric transit. The Skyway really would be the "express" and the Streetcar the frequent median or curbside feeder.
OCKLAWAHA
stjr
November 05, 2009, 11:41:47 PMA "green" pasture of $14 million a year or $20,000 a year per "horse rider". And, when the horse has a broken leg (or, in this case all of its legs), the vet needs to put it out of its misery by shooting it. We are way past checkups! This horse can't be cured!
Ocklawaha
November 06, 2009, 12:13:23 AMNot at all, that photo is an unused section of railroad in Springfield, no longer even connected to the mainlines. This stuff is all over Jacksonville, making us the city with a golden opportunity to build a heritage streetcar system, below normal budget. This ends in VISION!
You really to take a deep breath, perhaps stjr and Jandar, should spend some minutes in a simpiler time, so THINK STREETCAR and... well... Just watch what can happen!
OCKLAWAHA
If_I_Loved_you
November 16, 2009, 09:49:09 AMWill we see anything here in Jacksonville Fl within the next 10 years? And Great Story.
Johnny
November 16, 2009, 11:02:29 AMI just got back from New Orleans and spent an entire day using only the street car for transportation. I'm not typically a public transit guy, but we had a blast and for $5 per person, it was all you can ride all day. Very cool setup and the lines are arranged to get anywhere you need to go with connections along the way. I don't expect our small minded government to be swayed, but I have had it up to here of all government entities taking our tax dollars and spending it on ridiculous pet projects.
Ocklawaha
November 16, 2009, 04:41:50 PMWow Johnny, just wait until JTA rolls out it's unique "Trolley Boat" project... THAT'LL TEACH YOU!
OCKLAWAHA
CS Foltz
November 17, 2009, 06:06:13 AMTrolley Boat? I hope to god your pulling my leg Ock...........but having seen JTA in action......anything is possible! I would have thought they had a "Submarine Line" in the works. But you can't advertise on that system so maybe not.....I got one.....how about a moving tethered Ballon system, that way the advertising can be seen for miles and miles?
Johnny
November 17, 2009, 10:52:52 PMHey, a trolley boat would be better than BRT... sorry, I just don't ride buses. I'd just bring a fishing poll and troll to the connection points
JeffreyS
November 18, 2009, 09:22:33 AMThe funny thing is as soon as we have fixed rail solutions you can rely on and go where you want buses will become a popular mode of transit for everyone as well.
Johnny
November 18, 2009, 12:19:21 PMor hovercrafts
Ocklawaha
November 18, 2009, 01:26:21 PMor hovercrafts
Believe it or not, hovercrafts, hydroplaning boats as well as standard water craft have all been subject to JTA study. In theory it sounds good, but there are too many questions on ridership, environmental issues and operating costs (which are quite high). Imagine the damage to the city one dead manatee would cause... hell Faye would have a cut-and-paste article, 20 times a day, for months. hee hee...
The funny thing is as soon as we have fixed rail solutions you can rely on and go where you want buses will become a popular mode of transit for everyone as well.
This is true, as a rule Jeffery, but I could see us becoming a pioneer in failure in this area as well. The formula for bus ridership failure is streetcars and Skyways on 8 minute headways, commuter rail on 30 minute headways and the bus - FOREVER STUCK in once every hour. Just check the schedule of the new Arlington neighborhood circulator. CREDIT? Sure! JTA gets high marks for creative thinking on community bus service, but another Atypical hourly schedule, without clustering with connections, will result in another false start. An old Navy guy summed up my opinion, long, long ago.
Isoroku Yamamoto
Hey, a trolley boat would be better than BRT... sorry, I just don't ride buses. I'd just bring a fishing poll and troll to the connection points
Trolley Boat? I hope to god your pulling my leg Ock...........but having seen JTA in action......anything is possible! I would have thought they had a "Submarine Line" in the works. But you can't advertise on that system so maybe not.....I got one.....how about a moving tethered Ballon system, that way the advertising can be seen for miles and miles?
Yeah, this one was a joke, but there is probably some merit in the balloon system, providing we wouldn't use hydrogen as the lift gas. I can just imagine someone from the COJ trying to cut on those propane tanks! Ya know, after posing the "trolley boat," question to the planners at TPO, I heard some are still trying to work out how to keep the trolley wire on top of those rocking buoys!
OCKLAWAHA
Johnny
November 18, 2009, 02:54:57 PMI remember the story on the hovercrafts. I believe it was something to do with getting from Green Cove to Mandarin and downtown to OP. The cost was insane and the hovercrafts were the size of a small cruise ship, if I remember correctly. I thought it was ridiculous then... I still do. Of course, it would have at least been unique, which is a plus.