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Urban Bathrooms, European Style

Today, finding a bathroom in an emergency downtown can be as problematic as finding a whale fisherman in Kansas. While one might be convinced that they exist in theory, the reality might be a series of disappointments.

Published September 8, 2012 in Weekend Edition      79 Comments    Open printer friendly version of this article Print Article

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In a well meaning attempt to cut down on drug dealing, public sex and other behaviors, Downtown and indeed, most of Jacksonville's public areas, closed down all public bathrooms.

As detailed in Metrojacksonville's article The Homeless are the Paramount End Users Downtown, the lack of public bathrooms has caused a real and measurable problem in the form of public defecation and urination, unsightly problems to say the least.

But maybe the answer is very simple and already in use in thousands of cities across Europe.

The main objection that the downtown community has to public bathrooms is rooted in the areas history with the concept. In the 1950's there were lavatories installed in Hemming Park which became a public scandal----mostly due to their design.

The bathrooms were underground, accessible by stairs leading below street level, and unsupervised.

One doesn't need to be very imaginative to guess what happened in the 1970's with the urban explosion of drugs and crime in these dark, impossible to monitor little subterranean getaways.

Apparently the lingering psychic scars have prevented generations of Jacksonvillians from even mentioning the idea of public bathrooms ever again.

But the problems ascribed to them are easily solved by simple design changes.

An open bottom, opaque sided and often open topped design prevents many problems.

An open bottom prevents anything from happening between more than one set of legs that wouldn't immediately be visible.

And an open top leaves the area well ventilated and more sanitary.

Here are a few attractive and easy to replicate designs that are familiar sites throughout the cities of Europe.







They would be a simple solution to downtown's lack of amenities as well as its fear of repeating history.







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79 Comments

reednavy

April 09, 2008, 05:14:22 AM
I'm sorry, but wtf?

second_pancake

April 09, 2008, 08:31:20 AM
I agree...wtf???  This kind of just came out of nowhere, eh?

Anywho, like the bathroom idea but something tells me that FBCJ wouldn't be too thrilled about an image of a little boy holding his whoo-hoo at the "pissoir", lol.

Driven1

April 09, 2008, 08:37:46 AM
could this not just be another place for "lewd & lascivious behavior"? 

i would think as little as homeless plaza..er, hemming plaza is patrolled right now, this would be like adding fuel to the fire.

thelakelander

April 09, 2008, 08:39:58 AM
I can't image the "pissoir" going over well here in Jacksonville or any where else in the state.  If there is a problem, how do other US cities handle them?  What ever the Indianapolis', Charlotte's, NYC's of the country are doing about public restroom facilities would most likely be a more realistic solution than what's allowed in Europe.  For example, in Savannah's Forsyth Park, they have port-a-pottys adjacent to the main pedestrian walk, but setback far enough to the point of where its not a visual distraction.  They also have police on bike patrol.

downtownparks

April 09, 2008, 08:44:07 AM
This does sorta seem out of left field, and I agree, we have a hard enough time keeping the bathrooms in our library's and parks safe and clean... I cant even imagine what would happen in a stand alone unit.

estate4

April 09, 2008, 08:50:39 AM
So no one thinks that a single-person unit in a reasonable public area that would be cleaner and larger than a porta-pottie would work? Most of these units in Europe and other cities charge a few bits of shrapnel to enter. Seems a bit more reasonable to enforce payment for use instead of having a bike police man a porta-pottie, right?

thelakelander

April 09, 2008, 08:59:01 AM
Far point, estate4.  Personally, I've never had problems using the restroom downtown, but if there are facilities they should be only located in public parks.  There's already public restrooms on the Southbank and Northbank riverwalks, Metropolitan Park and Confederate Park.  Is the main issue here, having something in Hemming Plaza?

Jimmy

April 09, 2008, 09:10:35 AM
Yikes.

Downtown Dweller

April 09, 2008, 09:25:21 AM
As a mother with young children, I would for sure pay to use one of these! Some change is cheaper than buying lunch or even a drink somewhere to use the bathroom, and if there was a charge then we wouldn’t have to wait 30 minutes while people were lined up to bathe, like at the library. I would pay happily!

blizz01

April 09, 2008, 10:02:10 AM
I saw something similar (pay restrooms) in San Francisco a few weeks backs - they were in full utilization.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the "little boy peeing" is a silhouette of Manneken Pis - one of the most famous statues in Europe (Brussels, Belgium)...........

JeffreyS

April 09, 2008, 10:03:56 AM
Didn't somebody post video of a Japanese game show about this?

All kidding aside the first pic is a joke but the others looked like a good idea. I like the ones that look like a row of Johnny on the spots with room for only one at a time.

Steve

April 09, 2008, 10:09:52 AM
I do have to wonder where the first pic came from - it looks like a standard bathroom stall with no bathroom around it.

With that said, I've used ones similar to the last two in Ireland, and they were pretty clean.  In fact, in Ireland, there is a time limit on you.  they give you warnings, then after like 15-20 minutes, the door just opens (a bit weird, but I understand it).  I think they were self cleaning as well.

I'd be okay with them in a public place, as long as they were watched by some sort of security guard.

Driven1

April 09, 2008, 10:13:56 AM
they give you warnings, then after like 15-20 minutes, the door just opens

now that, i would pay like $2 to see happen to someone...that is funny.

thelakelander

April 09, 2008, 10:22:02 AM
I do have to wonder where the first pic came from - it looks like a standard bathroom stall with no bathroom around it.

With that said, I've used ones similar to the last two in Ireland, and they were pretty clean.  In fact, in Ireland, there is a time limit on you.  they give you warnings, then after like 15-20 minutes, the door just opens (a bit weird, but I understand it).  I think they were self cleaning as well.

Wow.  That helps solves a lot of potential problems.

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I'd be okay with them in a public place, as long as they were watched by some sort of security guard.

Ultimately, downtown has a lot of needs, wants and desires with limited funds to make them happen.  Outside of Hemming Plaza and an occassional pocket park or two, I don't know if the need for such a contraption should become a higher priority over things like lighting or wayfaring signage.

Steve

April 09, 2008, 10:29:31 AM
Ultimately, downtown has a lot of needs, wants and desires with limited funds to make them happen.  Outside of Hemming Plaza and an occassional pocket park or two, I don't know if the need for such a contraption should become a higher priority over things like lighting or wayfaring signage.

Completely agree.  Right now this administration can't seem to light the sidewalks, so I REALLY don't trust them to pull this off right.

stephendare

April 09, 2008, 10:34:45 AM
I think the point is that we are so used to designing for criminals and homeless people that we have stopped designing for Downtown Dweller and her two children.

Bathrooms are a pretty necessary element for human use, and if we want the downtown to work, we have got to begin designing for the end user's comfort and enjoyment.

The alternative is to continue with the present situation:  Downtown Dweller cant find a bathroom for the kids on weekends, and the homeless are shitting all over the landscape.

Other cities have had the same problems over the years.  This is one of the solutions that addresses all the same concerns that Jacksonville has.

Downtown Dweller

April 09, 2008, 10:37:52 AM
I think the point is that we are so used to designing for criminals and homeless people that we have stopped designing for Downtown Dweller and her two children.

Bathrooms are a pretty necessary element for human use, and if we want the downtown to work, we have got to begin designing for the end user's comfort and enjoyment.

The alternative is to continue with the present situation:  Downtown Dweller cant find a bathroom for the kids on weekends, and the homeless are shitting all over the landscape.

I couldn't have said it better myself  ;D

estate4

April 09, 2008, 10:39:53 AM
Actually that first pic isn't a joke. That would be a public urinal from Amsterdam. Surprise there? It's just a different mentality there that when you have to go, just go here instead of in the gutter. I'm not saying we should install that kind of thing here. The pay-per-pottie is the way to go.

Driven1

April 09, 2008, 10:41:07 AM
design for whoever you'd like...the homeless will still screw it up.

you think hemming plaza was 'designed' for the homeless??

how about the new beauty of a pocket park on main st??  

but guess who could care less about WHO something was DESIGNED for??

ps - is profanity allowed on these boards??

thelakelander

April 09, 2008, 10:45:41 AM
I think the point is that we are so used to designing for criminals and homeless people that we have stopped designing for Downtown Dweller and her two children.

Bathrooms are a pretty necessary element for human use, and if we want the downtown to work, we have got to begin designing for the end user's comfort and enjoyment.

The alternative is to continue with the present situation:  Downtown Dweller cant find a bathroom for the kids on weekends, and the homeless are shitting all over the landscape.

Other cities have had the same problems over the years.  This is one of the solutions that addresses all the same concerns that Jacksonville has.

Outside of Hemming Plaza, because its a public space without restroom facilities, I don't think there's a huge need for them.  There's restrooms around, but most aren't aware of where they are located.  Outside of Hemming Plaza, this is something that can be resolved with downtown directory signage, something DVI should have installed years ago.

stephendare

April 09, 2008, 10:46:46 AM
Seriously DD!

And really, bathrooms are only the beginning of reversing this singularly stupid mindset.

If we continue to design all things downtown to prevent their usage, or simply remove anything that provides physical comfort, how can we sit around and wonder why no one but the totally desperate take advantage of our urban core.

In this case, there arent enough shops, stores or buildings open to the public anymore to provide the service, but even if there were, a downtown humming with people would need them anyways....After all, there was a reason that Jacksonville had them installed all over downtown in the first place.

thelakelander

April 09, 2008, 10:53:57 AM
I don't think we need to litter downtown's streets with Port-a-pottys.  In a regional mall, you'll probably have two public bathroom facilities spread out over the mall's length.  In Regency's case, if placed downtown, that length would stretch from the Northbank Riverwalk to Union Street.  We already have a public restroom facility on the riverwalk.  It seems the true area of need is Hemming Plaza.  Address Hemming and throw it on a (sidewalk directory) map, so people know where public restrooms are at and this whole subject dies a quick death.

stephendare

April 09, 2008, 11:00:17 AM
Hemming Park is a pretty obvious one.  Maybe one over on Bay Street for after Starbucks is closed and the night time gets going.

Maybe installing a similar design to replace the ones at the Skyway stations, which are the totally enclosed (and therefore totally destroyed and dangerous) style.

thelakelander

April 09, 2008, 11:05:44 AM
Bay Street would be solved if public restroom facilities are provided at the public pier currently under construction, next to Berkman.  Any idea of how much these things cost?

stephendare

April 09, 2008, 11:09:29 AM
The Cost depends on how elaborate you would like to go with the building materials and the fixtures.

The old fashioned pissoir in the first one only costs a couple of hundred dollars.

The well built, etched glass version with the little boy peeing costs in the neighborhood of 50k, but it also has multiple toilets.

What makes these things awesome, I think, is the open bottoms.  Anyone can see whether or not there is something inappropriate happening or someone sleeping in them.  Its such a simple solution, that I really wonder why the modification wasnt immediately made in the 70s. 

In Hemming Park, I think it was because there were already existing subterranean bathrooms and there would have been a natural resistance to building new ones over the old ones.  Plus there must have been a punishment sentiment going on as well.

Similar to the practice in Springfield of demolishing houses that drug dealers used.

The dealers simply found other abandoned structures.   And the houses were the ones that got punished.

Or rather, all the rest of us because they are no longer there.

Steve

April 09, 2008, 11:14:37 AM
I don't think we need to litter downtown's streets with Port-a-pottys.  In a regional mall, you'll probably have two public bathroom facilities spread out over the mall's length.  In Regency's case, if placed downtown, that length would stretch from the Northbank Riverwalk to Union Street.  We already have a public restroom facility on the riverwalk.  It seems the true area of need is Hemming Plaza.  Address Hemming and throw it on a (sidewalk directory) map, so people know where public restrooms are at and this whole subject dies a quick death.

I also trust the mall to provide security for the restrooms, more than I trust COJ

stephendare

April 09, 2008, 11:17:31 AM
The design alone reduces the need.  Anything you could do in these bathrooms, you could do more easily in the bushes or alleys around Hemming Park---except relieve yourself.

thelakelander

April 09, 2008, 11:22:23 AM
What makes these things awesome, I think, is the open bottoms.  Anyone can see whether or not there is something inappropriate happening or someone sleeping in them.  Its such a simple solution, that I really wonder why the modification wasnt immediately made in the 70s.

That's what I don't like about them.  People here in America like privacy, as opposed to the world seeing you sit on a toilet for an extended amount of time, then come out of the stall in the middle of a public sidewalk.  Personally, I think public restrooms are best if constructed adjacent to main pedestrian walkways and public recreational spaces like they are on the Northbank Riverwalk.

stephendare

April 09, 2008, 11:34:24 AM
We all like privacy.  Which is why we all stopped using the airlines when they started searching our bags, I guess.

Everything is a tradeoff.  And the current tradeoff (its better to let the 'decent people' hold it until they can make it to a bathroom elsewhere) is disastrous.

thelakelander

April 09, 2008, 11:43:21 AM
But there's a middle ground.  That's public restroom facilities that aren't in the middle of the street.  We have a few already.  Most just don't know where they're at.  This can be solved with public directories.



Jimmy

April 09, 2008, 11:50:15 AM
But there's a middle ground.  That's public restroom facilities that aren't in the middle of the street.  We have a few already.  Most just don't know where they're at.  This can be solved with public directories.
Exactly right.  We've been bemoaning the lack of good signage and wayfinding directories forever.  There are solutions to these problems that don't involve a whole new effort, which won't get funded and will never work.

Why aren't these articles signed any more?  I think the author should appear in a by-line.

stephendare

April 09, 2008, 11:53:32 AM
Jimmy, thanks for your interest in the authors!

When we write them in our administrative screens, there is a field that allocates the author, but for some reason it doesnt automatically post it.

For the record, I am the author of todays article as a follow up to the article last week on the issues of the street people downtown.

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/content/view/752

Jimmy

April 09, 2008, 11:55:38 AM
It helps me to get a sense of the rhetoric when I know who writes it.  That's the extent of my interest.  The content here, with few exceptions, has always been thoughtful and thought-provoking.  Thanks!

stephendare

April 09, 2008, 12:15:11 PM
But there's a middle ground.  That's public restroom facilities that aren't in the middle of the street.  We have a few already.  Most just don't know where they're at.  This can be solved with public directories.





I agree lake.

Position and signage are important, but even more important is re-instituting the public amenities.

Johnny

April 09, 2008, 12:47:39 PM
The pay to pee option sounds compelling for those of us that may have to use the restroom and have some decency. But, it doesn't solve a major issue mentioned in the story. The homeless are not going to pay to pee or poo when there is a perfectly good sidewalk in front of La Cena.

thelakelander

April 09, 2008, 12:49:24 PM
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Position and signage are important, but even more important is re-instituting the public amenities.

The point I was trying to make is that, excluding Hemming, we already have these amenities.  Sure we could use more, but its not like nothing exists and we don't need to have them on every block or even every three, four or five.  Signage would solve this situation, imo.  On top of that, there's restrooms in the library and the Landing.  Security (vagrants aside) won't turn you away from using those facilities if you have to.  Some decent wayfaring signage and pedestrian directories would go along way to solving this perceived problem as well as many others we deal with today.

thelakelander

April 09, 2008, 12:52:35 PM
The pay to pee option sounds compelling for those of us that may have to use the restroom and have some decency. But, it doesn't solve a major issue mentioned in the story. The homeless are not going to pay to pee or poo when there is a perfectly good sidewalk in front of La Cena.

I not sold on designing downtown for the homeless.  Its already a homeless epicenter of urban vibrancy and street life.  Even if facilities are free, that doesn't mean we'll eliminate the guy who wants to relieve himself in front of La Cena.

stephendare

April 09, 2008, 12:54:20 PM
Lake, we agree on almost every point.

Except.  How do you solve 750 guys peeing in public over every square inch of the landscape every day?

Jailing, public shame and the availability of bathrooms 10 blocks away hasnt worked so far.

Most of the bathrooms that one would put on a list are only available after 10 and before 5.

stephendare

April 09, 2008, 12:56:12 PM
The pay to pee option sounds compelling for those of us that may have to use the restroom and have some decency. But, it doesn't solve a major issue mentioned in the story. The homeless are not going to pay to pee or poo when there is a perfectly good sidewalk in front of La Cena.

you are too funny Johnny.

But I think La Cena is a special spot.  Jerry has so many videos of people using that planter that hes speculated it must be a secretly sacred site.

Jason

April 09, 2008, 01:00:07 PM
They're just doing their part to water the plants while the rain is away.  Pee is a great fertilizer.

thelakelander

April 09, 2008, 01:00:30 PM
Lake, we agree on almost every point.

Except.  How do you solve 750 guys peeing in public over every square inch of the landscape every day?

Jailing, public shame and the availability of bathrooms 10 blocks away hasnt worked so far.

Most of the bathrooms that one would put on a list are only available after 10 and before 5.

My advice would be to disperse the things that make downtown a homeless mega destination.  Right now Hemming is the epicenter and is shouldn't and won't be if the things around it are dispersed.  Using limited public funds to add toilets all over downtown limits the possible funding of greater needs like lighting.

stephendare

April 09, 2008, 01:07:58 PM
They're just doing their part to water the plants while the rain is away.  Pee is a great fertilizer.

especially for roses, I hear.

Maybe they should all be directed over to the rose garden in riverside.

stephendare

April 09, 2008, 01:16:32 PM
To be honest, not only should we be installing bathrooms for the public again, we should also be looking at installing water fountains for both adults and children and a water source for dogs.

Paul Crawford's remarkably sensible thinking in installing a pooper scooper for people walking their dogs at the pocket park is EXACTLY the type of thinking that we need more of downtown.

It is inconceivable that we have installed a sanitary way for dogs to use the bathroom downtown while totally preventing PEOPLE from doing the same thing.

We really have created quite a forbidding environment to the end users over the years by focusing all policy on the only group of people that no one seems to want downtown.

Driven1

April 09, 2008, 01:20:40 PM
i think the bathrooms for the homeless should have baby-changing stations.  and attendants inside the bathroom who wear bow-tie tuxes and keep them clean for the homeless.  they would have to be tipped of course.  i think there should be $20,000 set aside in the city budget each year that could be given out to the homeless each month and specifically ear-marked for tipping the attendant.

Driven1

April 09, 2008, 01:22:51 PM

They're just doing their part to water the plants while the rain is away.  Pee is a great fertilizer.

urea from omnivores or carnivores is not a good fertilizer...only from herbivores.  i haven't met a homeless vegan.  i've seen vegans who dress and/or smell like the homeless, but never an actual homeless vegan.

stephendare

April 09, 2008, 01:55:56 PM
I think beer is pretty vegan

Driven1

April 09, 2008, 01:59:33 PM
I think beer is pretty vegan

as is water and hi-c.

Downtown Dweller

April 09, 2008, 02:29:42 PM
Why not just give the vagrants one bathroom and let them use it unmolested, but keep the rest for the consumers?  I think some are missing the point I have tried to make, one woman, two children. Children can’t hold it as long as an adult so the bathrooms need to be convenient and safe, it just seems everyone is considering an adult, and perhaps even an adult male needing to use facilities downtown. I hope we have room for more than adult men downtown! BTW, are there any women who post here?…..While there are bathrooms around town, Lake is right in that they are hard to find, and when you do they are filthy gross, or full of people I don’t really want to be around, much less have my children around. Why are the bathrooms on the children’s library floor so full of vagrants? Let them use another floor, enforce it and then you wouldn’t have to spend additional money for more bathrooms in that area,  and mom and kids could use the bathroom feeling safe and for free. If the city can’t or won’t address Hemming Plaza, put a bathroom there for vagrants alone. There shouldn’t be any criminal issues since the park seems to be filled with cops every time I have been down there.

A dog water fountain is a GREAT idea, along with doggie poop bags. People water fountains I am not so sure about, studies show they are a breeding ground for germs; they are actually dirtier than a public toilet seat! Of course I would rather rail then any of the above!

deadtank

April 09, 2008, 02:45:16 PM
good add campaign to get some more bathrooms.

http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/09/ads-using-trees/

Downtown Dweller

April 09, 2008, 03:02:30 PM
 
Sozo Wee Wee Man Wee Block
 
 
 Say no no to wee wee. 

 
 

stephendare

April 09, 2008, 03:27:40 PM
ok.....you have to explain what these are, dd!

Downtown Dweller

April 09, 2008, 03:29:52 PM
They are a "cover" with a sponge inserted inside. That way when you can’t make it to the bathroom, you have a 'sponge" to soak it up. It is washable and therefore reusable and green!

stephendare

April 09, 2008, 03:32:29 PM
ah...the magic and mystery of parenting..
lol.  When Zorn was that age, he just had to hold it until it hurt.

Even then when pushed past his capacity, he had absolutely no qualms whatsoever about taking matters into his own hands.

zoo

April 09, 2008, 04:08:53 PM
We may have unknowingly (and some would say, inhumanely) stumbled upon the solution to dispersing the homeless from Hemming. Pay to pee there, free pee spots over by stadium and west end of downtown!

Oops, forgot... why walk more than 1500 steps when there is a perfectly good planter within 10?

stephendare

April 09, 2008, 05:38:14 PM
We may have unknowingly (and some would say, inhumanely) stumbled upon the solution to dispersing the homeless from Hemming. Pay to pee there, free pee spots over by stadium and west end of downtown!

Oops, forgot... why walk more than 1500 steps when there is a perfectly good planter within 10?

But even more importantly, Zoo, it would be nice to start designing the urban core for comfortable and convenient use by humans.

Kathryn

April 09, 2008, 09:04:29 PM
I am a mother with two young children and we go to the Main Library weekly.  We have had no problems with the bathrooms in the children's dept.  I even have used the bathroom on the second floor by the 2nd floor reference desk (had to get a key first)--it was ok also.  I also have been in the bathrooms on the ground floor (Main St side)-no problems.  We also have used the bathroom at Shelby's often---you also have to be a customer and get a key--again, no problems there.  I noticed that the vagrant problem seemed more acute on a Sunday that I was there vs. during our normal time during the weekday afternoon.  More were coming in as the library opened with suitcases on Sunday.  When we are usually there during the week, they are already settled reading the newspaper. 

I also wouldn't hesitate going into MOCA or the restaurant if either was was open and asking to use the bathroom if one of my children was in urgent need.  I also have in other cities just walked into a restaurant/store with one of my kids unannounced and taken them to the bathroom.  I think this is an unwritten mommy rule or something.  No one has ever stopped me either.

Ocklawaha

April 10, 2008, 12:17:24 AM
Oh Shit!

The Colombian solution works just fine too... Employ a few of those homeless and re-open the old restrooms. Each homeless guy or gal gets 3 square meals, a sponge, uniform, mop, pay-check and all the tips he can carry... The patron just pays the guy at the door.

Failing this idea or some form of Euro-Potty, we could always issue brown bags and piss jars to everyone who enters downtown.

As for going in the bushes, well, properly heat treated the stuff makes for great and harmless plant food...





 

Ocklawaha

Jason

April 10, 2008, 08:55:44 AM
Actually, not a bad idea Ock.

Great graphic too!

stephendare

April 11, 2008, 11:57:07 PM
ol.

well this thread has been pretty cool.

I think we have established two things from this:  Residents and end users have verified the need for bathrooms downtown that are clean safe and open to the public and we have spent so many years trying to prevent misbehavior that we no longer even consider the needs of our actual preferred end users.

Thanks everyone for your input!

Driven1

April 12, 2008, 08:22:39 AM
glory, glory, glory.

Ocklawaha

April 12, 2008, 09:31:19 AM


As you can see, even the poorest area's have clean a clean potty. Call it Potty Pride!

All kidding aside, I must confess to being a "user"... Bathrooms that is. I managed to come out of Vietnam with a royal case of poisoning, which proceeded to eat my guts up pretty good. It gets me a handicap sticker and free tags, but I'd rather have my digestion back. ANY TIME I go ANYWHERE without my medicine, it is always "TOUCH AND GO"... If we're ever together downtown, and Ocklawaha suddenly runs off, just figure I've been touched and I GOTTA GO! While I've learned to live with it, and laugh at it over the years, a system of clean restrooms would be a godsend to me and others like me.


Would you believe? These guys even place world class art in the RESTROOMS! !SI!

I love the idea of attendents for the restrooms as not only does it keep them clean, and offer employment to someone in need, it's a comfort to folks with medical problems or families, women and small children to know that another adult is nearby and "on patrol". It's a simple idea, which allows for some pride in workmanship. We saw "Potty competition" in Medellin, and the potty patrol wears a "tip me" shirt. Some of the guys and gals to the extra mile of adding flowers, waxing the floors, adding candles or scented sprays, some even have a line of perfumes and toilet articles that they peddle from their spotless throne rooms. People in downtown have their favorite rest stations, you learn the name of the "potty guards"... This is an idea that works, it's a matter of: "Let's go over to Hemming Plaza, I need to use the facilities and Jose keeps that place cleaner then a kitchen. Last week he gave out carnations to everyone who tipped over a $1.00. He always keeps a bottle of "ANGEL" or "PAUL SEBASTION" and since I didn't have time to find mine before the meeting, I'll just get Jose to... etc... etc..." REALLY JACKSONVILLE, we could learn from the so-called-3Rd World and hence lead the 1St World in Potty tech.


Pick the poorest place in town... add security and a potty patrol and you can come on in, sit down and take a load off your mind. BTW, the photo is of a Potty Maid and a local policeman. This is not a war scene, just a nice day in a bad neighborhood.

Those of you headed South of the border? Don't dispair, they have you covened in the end. THEY could teach US how to fix this...


Ocklawaha
VIVA LA REPUBLICA DE COLOMBIA!

stephendare

April 12, 2008, 07:50:57 PM
where is that photo again Ock?

stephendare

April 12, 2008, 10:29:03 PM
I love botero, btw.

Heres another for ya:

Ocklawaha

April 12, 2008, 11:45:34 PM
http://www.henryk-broder.de/r2/content/forsicht_freddy/images/tn_medellin_boteros.jpg
 








Stephendare, thought you knew? Medellin, Colombia, is the City of Botero! The sculptures and art is EVERYWHERE! So is the Botero family. We should promote our local talent and spread the art.

Ocklawaha
   

stephendare

April 13, 2008, 12:06:31 AM
You know, for some reason that completely slipped my freaking mind.

And if I remember correctly, the president is a real architecture nut, arts supporter and fan of the artist.

Ocklawaha

April 13, 2008, 12:48:43 AM
Yes, Uribe is great... We should be so lucky! He has done so much for the country that the change is night and day. Anyone that loves ULTRA-MODERN, Dwell houses, metropolis etc... would fall in love with Colombia. How often does a president come along that is so good, the people rise up and change the constitution just so he can run again? Gotta love URIBE.

Ocklawaha

stephendare

April 13, 2008, 05:02:52 PM
Lol, can you imagine some of the marvelous public bathrooms that could be made by using the art as the architecture?   Like one of those old ice cream places that is shaped like an ice cream cone?

stephendare

April 13, 2008, 10:13:08 PM
according to a post on metjax.com there is a recurring problem with fecal coliform in the waterways of Hogan's Creek.

This is caused with people and animals take a number two break in the water.

The possible downsides include several variations of hepatitis and e. coli.

When I read the State report on the condition of the creek, there seemed to be some uncertainty about the source of all this poop related microbial activity in the waterway.   I can guarantee from personal witness that one of the sources of this fecal coliform is from the homeless taking a dump in the water.

It makes the park system into a great candidate for bathrooms in my opinion.

thelakelander

April 13, 2008, 10:44:25 PM
There's already restrooms in Confederate Park.  We shot a scene in one of them during to 48 Hour Film competition a few months ago.

stephendare

April 13, 2008, 10:56:20 PM
There arent any in the rest of them though.

Where I see the dumpathon happen is usually under the bridge over by the ballpark.

Downtown Dweller

April 14, 2008, 07:26:30 AM
While bathrooms in Confederate Park are nice and everything, the ball park and soccer field are at Klutho, and there is no bathroom. Confederate is too far away, and in my opinion the least likely place to be used. All parks should have some type of bathroom, especially parks that have playground equipment and/or sports fields. Klutho even has bleachers, yet where are all these people that are supposed to fill the bleachers supposed to go to the bathroom? Fourth of July, GREAT to watch the fireworks at Klutho park, IF there is a place to go to the bathroom!

stephendare

April 14, 2008, 11:29:12 AM
Its amazing that we have gone so far down the primrose path of penalty, deprivation and punishment that this isnt immediately obvious anymore.

Driven1

April 14, 2008, 11:36:06 AM
glory, glory, glory.

Johnny

July 17, 2008, 01:27:29 PM
Something I ran across and thought of this thread from months back....

http://www.sfchroniclemarketplace.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/07/17/national/a032801D69.DTL

Neighbors and city-commissioned analysts said the unisex facilities attracted drug users and prostitutes, and were less cost-effective than regular public restrooms.

On May 19, the City Council voted to remove the problem toilets. Council President Richard Conlin said although people were using the high-tech, self-cleaning silver stalls, they also fostered illegal behavior, such as prostitution and drug use.

Jason

July 17, 2008, 01:31:09 PM
Something I ran across and thought of this thread from months back....

http://www.sfchroniclemarketplace.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/07/17/national/a032801D69.DTL

Neighbors and city-commissioned analysts said the unisex facilities attracted drug users and prostitutes, and were less cost-effective than regular public restrooms.

On May 19, the City Council voted to remove the problem toilets. Council President Richard Conlin said although people were using the high-tech, self-cleaning silver stalls, they also fostered illegal behavior, such as prostitution and drug use.



How about getting rid of the druggies and prostitutes.... nevermind.

stephendare

July 17, 2008, 01:32:27 PM
It all boils down to design.

While the toilets in sf were high tech, they were badly designed.

Jerry Moran

July 18, 2008, 02:48:00 AM
Seattle sells 5 of its troubled toilets on eBay
 
 
SEATTLE (AP) -- Seattle's five problem-plagued public toilets could be yours if you're flush.

City officials decided to pull the plug on the multimillion-dollar self-cleaning toilet stalls and instead put them on the auction site eBay.

Starting bids are $89,000 apiece.

Neighbors and city-commissioned analysts said the unisex facilities attracted drug users and prostitutes, and were less cost-effective than regular public restrooms.

On May 19, the City Council voted to remove the problem toilets. Council President Richard Conlin said although people were using the high-tech, self-cleaning silver stalls, they also fostered illegal behavior, such as prostitution and drug use.

The German-made automatic, high-tech toilets were installed in 2004 and have cost the city about $5 million. Each has handsfree washing and drying ability and an emergency button that automatically dials 911.

The automated doors on the impact- and graffiti-resistant toilets will close Aug. 1, said Andy Ryan, a spokesman for Seattle Public Utilities. The auction will last for 10 days.

As of Thursday morning, none of the toilets had received any bids.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Hering-Bau-WCmatic-Automatic-Public-Toilet-1-Seattle_W0QQitemZ170240609824QQihZ007QQcategoryZ1267QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Let's nail this coffin shut.  Public toilets don't work in America, anymore than allowing American born cooks to drink while working.  It's not in our cultural makeup:  We drink to get drunk, and we use public facilities  to commit unspeakable acts.  You're not supposed to spend the day in Hemming Plaza.  Let's not make the park anymore comfortable for loafers than it already is.
 

stephendare

July 18, 2008, 03:37:20 AM
Notice that none of these articles shows the damned toilet.

please for the love of god, read the article first.

The point of this piece is to show open bottomed, european design pissoirs that allow for using the bathroom with the minimum of privacy necessary in order to prevent the negative behaviors associated with public bathrooms.

not just 'public toilets'.

To be honest, I would prefer 'loafers' in toilets on any day of the week to nazis with cameras watching every street to make sure no one takes a piss..

RiversideGator

July 18, 2008, 12:21:15 PM
glory, glory, glory.


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