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Move over billion dollar bus, it's S-Line time!

The costs for Bus Rapid Transit are spiraling out of control and Metro Jacksonville research has discovered that little to no effort was conducted by hired JTA transporation consultants to evaluate the feasibility of using the city-owned S-Line rail right-of-way as a transit route from Downtown to Gateway Mall, instead of paralleling I-95.

Published February 6, 2007 in Transit      13 Comments    Open printer friendly version of this article Print Article

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We've mentioned it many times before, but there's nothing like putting together a photo tour to drive home a point.  The S-Line is already owned by the city and is superior to BRT's chosen I-95 route because it goes where Northside residents stay, as opposed to paralleling an eight lane interstate.

TRANSIT ROUTE COMPARISON AERIAL 

Key:

Red Line - proposed BRT route through the Northside

Green Line - S-Line right-of-way through the Northside

Blue/White Line - Skyway route through downtown

A common element with station spacing in all forms of mass transit, is the 1/4 mile rule.  All areas within a quarter mile of a transit stop (regardless of the form of transit) typically represent the highest probability of walk up ridership.  It's critical that stations are located within close proximity to major places of employment and dense residential bases.

Red circle - represents the 1/4 radius for stations planned along BRT's I-95 line.

Green circle - represents potential station locations along the S-Line.

Light Blue - Transit Oriented Developments were an afterthought in the planning of BRT's north corridor.  However, the S-Line's path would take transit in areas ripe for large scale transit oriented and adjacent developments, which in turn help increase ridership and bring economic stability to the neighborhoods surrounding them.

 

S-LINE PHOTO TOUR

1. Planned Jacksonville Transportation Center at Prime Osborn - Despite the planned development of a massive transportation complex covering over seven city blocks, Bus Rapid Transit's proposed terminal is planned to be three blocks to the East, resulting in the demolition of another downtown city block with significant historic buildings still standing on it. 

By comparison, using the S-Line would be a natural fit for an additional mode of transit using the multi-million dollar facility, because commuter rail can travel on the same tracks as Amtrak, a planned tenant at the transportation center.

 

BEAVER STREET WAREHOUSE DISTRICT

2. S-Line right-of-way, just north of JTA's maintenance yard.  Although the tracks are gone, the S-Line right-of-way between downtown and Gateway Mall is still intact.



2a. National Wire Southeast buildings are an example of the early 20th century industrial buildings located in this old, under-utilized industrial district just west of downtown.  With the S-Line back serving as a means of mass transit, the opportunity to redevelop this unique area of town as a vibrant loft district increases substantially.

 

2b. Portland's Pearl District is an example of an urban industrial area coming back to life as a mixed use transit friendly neighborhood.

 

2c. While the S-Line tracks have long been abandoned, in some areas of this old industrial district, they were simply paved over.

 

3. The farmer's market is an example of a high quality destination that can generate high traffic within a 10 minute walk of the S-Line.  One of the major benefits of the S-Line is the amount of dense neighborhoods and major destinations within a short distance from it's path.  Coordinate these existing places with station placement and rezoning to allow large scale transit oriented developments and we'll start off with a mass transit line that has ridership already built into it.

 

DURKEEVILLE

4. The S-Line right-of-way just north of Myrtle Avenue is one of the major corridors in Durkeeville, a historic urban district with architectural structures similar to Springfield and Riverside, yet disconnected from the core by I-95.  Despite the expressway severing the community's direct ties with downtown, Durkeeville remains one of the city's densest because it was not hit as hard as the others by urban renewal.  Implementing transit on the S-Line helps re-establish the connection of Durkeeville with the rest of Jacksonville.

 

5. Like the farmer's market, Edward Waters College is also within a 10 minute walk of the S-Line, setting up the potential for a pedestrian friendly college oriented district to spring up along Kings Road, between the school and Myrtle Avenue/S-Line corridor.



6. This portion of right-of-way was converted into a large sidewalk near Durkee Field.  Originally, the city planned to convert the entire former rail corridor into a pedestrian greenway.  With vision, we can have both, as well as economic stability in this disconnected historic urban neighborhood.  



7. Unlike BRT, which will require the investment of millions of dollars for new bridges built within the city's existing infrastructure nextwork, the S-Line right-of-way already has these things in place.  In this image, the S-Line right-of-way passes under I-95, near Stanton High School. This bridge was built with enough clearance for rail cars.

 


8. Over 1,100 residents are employed by Shands Medical Center, which is in walking distance of S-Line right-of-way.  A stop in this general area has high potential for a transit oriented development that can include needed affordable housing, in addition to reconnect the street grid, providing a stronger connection between Durkeeville, Springfield, and New Springfield.

 

SPRINGFIELD WAREHOUSE DISTRICT


9. Because the S-Line travels through a diverse collection of inner city neighborhoods and industrial districts, the potential for transit adjacent developments (TADs) is high.  One of those areas is the Springfield Warehouse District.

 

9a. One of the negatives associated with commuter rail mentioned by JTA's RTS consultants was the presence of industrial facilities along the routes.  This should be considered as a positive.  Many of these facilities have become obsolete for heavy industrial use, yet the architectural craftsmanship of an era gone by makes these buildings prime targets for pedestrian friendly redevelopment.

In Tampa, a district with similar style buildings from the same era has been recreated into a place with a mix of uses incorporated in the older industrial structures from the city's cigar manufacturing days. 

Miles Development Partners (developer for Brooklyn Park) recently renovated this old cigar box manufacturing plant into loft housing just outside Tampa's Ybor City Historic District.  Springfield's warehouse district offers the same opportunity for Jacksonville.  Using the S-Line would not only tap into the warehouse district's potential, but also attract riders from the Springfield Historic District to the south, as well as New Springfield to the north.  New Springfield could also benefit with renewed interest and restoration within it's borders.



9b. During it's heyday as an industrial center, several railroad spurs ran between brick industrial buildings, leaving ample room for station platforms to be constructed near the remaining lines.



10. The S-Line right-of-way, near North Main Street.

GATEWAY MALL CORRIDOR

11. Like BRT's northern route, the S-Line ends within close walking distance to Gateway Mall and the commercial corridor surrounding it, making it a natural stop on the Northside.  However, as stated earlier, the major difference is the S-Line is already owned and cleared, thus saving JTA and Jacksonville residents millions of dollars and many years on the implementation process.  Furthermore, it travels where a diverse and dense inner city population resides, as opposed to BRT, which takes a straight shot to Gateway via I-95.  The problem, BRT consultants either forgot or ignored, was the fact that no one lives on I-95.  It's a divider, not a uniter.  Quality urban mass transit, especially if we're willing to drop a billion on it, should be fully integrated within the neighborhoods it serves.
 

COMMUTER RAIL AS A PILOT PROGRAM



Ottawa has been billed by JTA as an example of a city that has successfully implemented bus rapid transit, which is true.  However, what we haven't heard much about is Ottawa's "O-Trian", a pilot commuter rail project created in 2001, to assess the technical feasibility of using an existing rail corridor for rapid transit.

O-Train's route includes five stations (two of which tie into the city's BRT lines) serving a local university, major employment center, and a shopping mall.  The O-Train was constructed for $21 million ($4.4 million/mile), attracts 9,000 riders a day, is on time 99% of the time, compared to BRT's 70%, and brings in annual revenues of $1.6 million.

Commuter rail station spacing

Another mistake made by consultants hired by JTA for the planning of the RTS, is the flawed notion that commuter rail stops can't be spaced closer than 5 miles apart.  Like systems in San Diego, Austin, and Orlando; Ottawa's O-Train stations are located within close proximity of each other.  In fact, the O-Train's 4.81 mile route is comparable in length to the S-Line and includes 5 stops.  That makes the average distance between rail stops 0.96 miles.

If Jacksonville really wants to use Ottawa as an example of a city implementing successful forms of mass transit, we need to look at the city's transit network as a whole, because the O-Train is just as important to that community as the more expensive BRT lines are.








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» 13 Comments

urbanjacksonville

February 06, 2007, 08:54:59 AM
Holy crap. Reading this is like being hit on the head with an obvious stick. How can anyone who reads this think constructing new BRT system is better than utilizing existing resources. I can see how the consultant who came up with the BRT plan reached his conclusion, with a little nudging from the city no doubt.

1. Money, there is massive amount of money involved in building the BRT, no BRT, no lucrative contracts awarded to developers.

2. This may be controversial, but it seems like another attempt to screw, instead of help, northwest jacksonville residents. They are poor, black and "don't know any better but to follow our leaders into transit disaster".

This plan will so obviously help residents of Northwest Jacksonville and is such a great opportunity to develop surrounding areas into dense transit friendly communities, how can city leaders ignore this idea?

Unfortunately I am preaching to the choir. What can I do to promote this plan? How can I help?

thelakelander

February 06, 2007, 09:13:23 AM
The best thing to do right now is get vocal.  Help make the obvious known to the city leaders (especially the council) who will ultimately have to vote on funding this plan.  Also, if you have a chance, visit today's BRT workshop at the Main Library and let JTA's staff know that the community wants them to take a second look at using urban commuter rail as an alternative to the highly expensive plan.

Because, not only is rail cheaper, its also a more progressive form of mass transit that has the power to help re-establish the inner city as a hotspot for investment and economic development, without straining our existing infrastructure network.

Broderick

February 06, 2007, 09:19:08 AM
How do we, the residents, get involved?  I'm so unclear on the local government's obsession with BRT, can someone fill me in on exactly WHY commuter rail has been overlooked?

Broderick

February 06, 2007, 09:23:54 AM
I agree with your second comment.  Let me add to that, that in addition, it seems as though the BRT will not only leave the residents of those north and northwest neighborhoods out of certain promise, but will continue to provide this "disconnect" that exists between the people.  It's a sad thought to have in 2007.

downtownparks

February 06, 2007, 09:37:03 AM
Just an FYI...

I could be wrong, but I think Jay Silliman is in the process of taking possession of a chunk of the old S-line by his building. I understand that PLF has already signed off on it, and its a go as soon as City council votes on it. I don't know the time line, but I know its in the works.

Broderick

February 06, 2007, 09:45:33 AM
This may be old news to many of the readers here, but I found an actual survey ...

http://www.jtaonthemove.com/rts/survey_form_nse.aspx

thelakelander

February 06, 2007, 09:55:09 AM
Yes, but in that particular area, it would be ideal to use the existing Norfolk Southern tracks in that particular area, since it's aready there and not a main line.   The best potential station/stop area in the warehouse district, is the portion of S-Line right-of-way east of Liberty Street, not Silliman's project.

Jeff Wood

February 06, 2007, 11:58:43 PM
I'm not sure either of those proposals is necessarily the right one.  I think you have a great opportunity to build a streetcar as a downtown circulator as well as light rail on the arterial streets that could get some amazing TOD and Ridership.  If you look at Austin, they are getting good TOD but it's gonna be aweful ridership for a long time.  I think the quick fixes should be shunned for an investment in real rail transit that will transform your community.  My two cents

thelakelander

February 07, 2007, 12:45:37 AM
The DMU car's technology pretty much means you can have what essentially is a light rail service, type system, at commuter rail prices.   Before writing off urban commuter rail for traditional light rail service, which can be just as expensive or more than bus rapid transit, it would be best to reconsider commuter rail, using the S-Line and the DMU.

Good examples to look at in North America include San Deigo's Sprinter and Ottawa's O-Train, both of which run like light rail, but are nothing more than commuter rail systems using DMU technology.

- San Diego Sprinter: www.gonctd.com/oerail/oerail.html


- Ottawa O-Train: www.octranspo.com/train_menue.htm

I'm a fan of light rail, but if there's a way to get implement something that serves in the same capacity and save millions doing it, it should be explored before being eliminated as JTA's consultants did with the DMU car back in 2001.

den

February 07, 2007, 08:30:06 PM
Are there going to be any kind of stops downtown?  How about connecting points one and nine?  Why would I get on this rail at point nine and ride west around town when I could jump in my car and drive a mile or two directly downtown?

thelakelander

February 07, 2007, 08:54:03 PM
For any type of mass transit system to be a success, it has to be accessible to areas with a high residential/working population base.  Point 9 is the border between the Springfield Historic District and New Springfield, two of Jacksonville's densest and walkable inner city neighborhoods.  Its also within a block of Swisher International, one of the Northbank's largest employers and within 3 of the Main Street commercial district.  Those who would get on or off at point 9 would most likely be people who live/work in that general area who would like the option of not being forced to drive everytime they go out.

As far as traveling downtown goes, number one on the graphic is the planned Jacksonville Transportation Center, just outside of downtown.  From this multi-model transit hub, you will be able to transfer to the skyway or free downtown trolley loops to access the heart of downtown.  If you wish to transfer to regular city buses, integrated BRT, greyhound and Amtrak, those options will be there as well.

In addition, this graphic is just a comparison between the S-Line right-of-way (green) and BRT's planned North route (red).  Over all, both systems are much more extensive then what's shown in this graphic.  To get a more accurate understanding of the BRT vs. Commuter Rail topic, cut and paste this web address into the address box:

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/content/blogcategory/18/58/

To access the full vision of regionwide commuter rail, stretching into neighborhing counties, cut and paste this web address into the access box:

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/content/view/77/90/


solomon

March 10, 2007, 10:37:20 PM
Have we forgotten about west jax and it's needs for transportation resolutions?

ricker

January 05, 2011, 11:28:46 PM
As is consistently the case: awesome homework MJ!
"hit on the head with the obvious stick"  lol
can we smack some folks around until we secure the future of OUR [public] pier as well?
paralleling 95 has never made a great deal of sense.
one detail planners forgot/neglected was that no one lives on 95!?
you're kidding. lol
I love the way this reads.
Thank you for existing METROJACKSONVILLE!
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